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FOTA teams in for "shock," says Pitpass
Topic Started: Jun 1 2009, 10:32 AM (954 Views)
John
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Red Bull (and Torro Rosso) are not Manufacturers... and if no Toyota or Renault or BMW to supply engines it becomes a two engine series... not something I would be interested in personally
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AndyW76
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One thing I can't believe is that bernie and Max would risk the status of F1 by letting nearly all the established teams go. There is a certain amount of brand value and recognision attached to the existing teams and, if the teams get booted out, it may take some considerable time to regain that kind of exposure.
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TheCompleteGuitarist
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Red Andy,Jun 1 2009
11:58 AM
Steelstallions,Jun 1 2009
12:24 PM
How can Ferrari's entry be any more legal than the other Fota teams? They have joined with conditions exactly the same as them.

As I understand it Ferrari are the only team to have contractually committed to the world championship until 2012 .... the rest of the teams have signed a "Memorandum of Understanding" but Ferrari's contract is the only one that is legally binding. So regardless of whether Ferrari's entry at the moment is legal or not, if the FIA want them to participate in 2010 then they have to do so. The other FOTA teams are not in the same position, so if they do not enter they won't be accepted.

I'd have thought that would be a perfect position for Ferrari.

Meaningless competition meaning they can beat them easily, take all the titles they want and not even have to cheat.

Maybe it's what they are pushing for?
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John
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<wtf>

Lets try and keep the predictable rubbish out of the discussion... I know you are capable of so much better input than that last one <thumbsup>
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Norbert
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As I understand it, Bernie considers Ferrari's contract until 2012 legally binding - after all he threatened to sue then if they pulled out next year. I doubt Max would win if they had an argument. They may both act like arses sometimes, but Bernie will never be caught with his trousers down, in any sense of the matter. He's far too clever for Max's good.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jun 1 2009
01:35 PM

I'd have thought that would be a perfect position for Ferrari.

Meaningless competition meaning they can beat them easily, take all the titles they want and not even have to cheat.

Maybe it's what they are pushing for?

Well as much as I enjoyed 2000 to 2004, its a little cruel calling Mclaren and the rest of the teams meaningless. <whistle>
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Rob
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Honda on the other hand....
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Norbert
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Feckless, maybe....

<thumbsup>
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John,Jun 1 2009
01:13 PM
Red Bull (and Torro Rosso) are not Manufacturers... and if no Toyota or Renault or BMW to supply engines it becomes a two engine series... not something I would be interested in personally

No, RBR and STR aren't manufacturers but certainly there are a lot of them in F1 at the moment and losing one or two wouldn't be the end of the world, and might in fact increase the long-term stability of the sport....

I take your point about engines though. Cosworth will be rejoining F1 in 2010, though, and it's possible that other manufacturers could stay on in an engine supply role only. For example, it's been reported recently that Renault may sell the whole team to Flavio Briatore, but will carry on building engines for him.
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Makes sense. Being French they can go for glory without any unnecessary risk or expense.....

<roflmao>


<peek> <peek> <peek>
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flood1
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If what we fear were to happen, that the FOTA teams were not accepted, then CVC and Bernie would go broke, and they won't let that happen.

CVC and Bernie would announce a new series on June 13th and leave the FIA out of it. They would use the '09 rules, invite USF1, ProDrive and Brawn into the mix, buy an existing series (or use F2) and run that series as the support race.

They cannot afford the FIA's BS. Period

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flood1,Jun 2 2009
04:13 AM
They cannot afford the FIA's BS. Period

Exactly. Which is why Max's position is as much posturing as Ferrari/FOTA's. If neither side gives, they'll both get stuffed up for a good long time.
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Norbert,Jun 2 2009
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flood1,Jun 2 2009
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They cannot afford the FIA's BS. Period

Exactly. Which is why Max's position is as much posturing as Ferrari/FOTA's. If neither side gives, they'll both get stuffed up for a good long time.

Max is posturing it's true.
But FOTA are not. They know full well that CVC/FOM will provide an alternative series for them to race in.And Max and F1 can do whatever they wish.

FOTA are holding the aces, safe in the knowledge that unless Max gives up and scraps his ideas, CVC and FOM MUST provide a series for them, which is the only way for CVC to generate enough revenue to service their debts.
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GordonB
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sportsman,Jun 2 2009
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Norbert,Jun 2 2009
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flood1,Jun 2 2009
04:13 AM
They cannot afford the FIA's BS. Period

Exactly. Which is why Max's position is as much posturing as Ferrari/FOTA's. If neither side gives, they'll both get stuffed up for a good long time.

Max is posturing it's true.
But FOTA are not. They know full well that CVC/FOM will provide an alternative series for them to race in.And Max and F1 can do whatever they wish.

FOTA are holding the aces, safe in the knowledge that unless Max gives up and scraps his ideas, CVC and FOM MUST provide a series for them, which is the only way for CVC to generate enough revenue to service their debts.

That's a really good view of things - I wish I could be as dispassionate, it wouldn't half help in real life
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As for the FIA, I'm fairly convinced that they will end up imposing a "budget cap escalator" (or "descalator" perhaps??).

What will happen if Max says: "OK Ferrari, 150mil next year, 80mil the next & 40mil after that." ??

Even more likely is 100 - 70 - 40. Would Ferrari agree to that? I think they would have public opinion against them if they didn't.

These things always end up being more grey than black & white.
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sportsman,Jun 2 2009
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Norbert,Jun 2 2009
09:14 AM
flood1,Jun 2 2009
04:13 AM
They cannot afford the FIA's BS. Period

Exactly. Which is why Max's position is as much posturing as Ferrari/FOTA's. If neither side gives, they'll both get stuffed up for a good long time.

Max is posturing it's true.
But FOTA are not. They know full well that CVC/FOM will provide an alternative series for them to race in.And Max and F1 can do whatever they wish.

FOTA are holding the aces, safe in the knowledge that unless Max gives up and scraps his ideas, CVC and FOM MUST provide a series for them, which is the only way for CVC to generate enough revenue to service their debts.

True - FIA's not in the strongest position.
Max seems to feel that 'new blood' will bring it's own fanbase (from where, who knows) or F1 'loyalists' will stick with the sport, no matter what teams are there.

The joke is that Max was on the opposite side of this 30 years ago and he should know better - but the more time passes, the more we see that he's like the scarecrow but without a Dorothy to guide him.
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