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| BMW admit F1 quit possible | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2009, 10:49 AM (476 Views) | |
| Lex | May 24 2009, 10:49 AM Post #1 |
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BMW Motorsport Director Dr Mario Theissen has conceded that the Bavarian marque could well join rivals Ferrari, Toyota, Renault and Red Bull in quitting Formula 1 ‘if the framework and conditions change greatly’ – after the team’s worst-ever qualifying performance as a manufacturer in its own right in Monaco this weekend. Full story on RaceTech wow! That would certainly cause a few red faces in Munich!! |
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| Norbert | May 24 2009, 02:13 PM Post #2 |
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Well, they could use that as the excuse rather than the fact that their car this year is a turd! |
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| Red Andy | May 24 2009, 02:17 PM Post #3 |
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BMW are also reconsidering their involvement in WTCC at the moment thanks to frustration with the rules. I wonder if they will pop up anywhere else should they withdraw from both? |
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| Norbert | May 24 2009, 02:57 PM Post #4 |
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Probably somewhere that they get to make the rules. Formula BMW sounds like a good idea....
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| ELUSIVEJIM | May 24 2009, 03:02 PM Post #5 |
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I would not be suprised after today Bmw pull out of F1 soon. Touring cars are being terminated so F1 WILL follow. I bet one of the teams looking to join F1 next year are in talks with Bmw |
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| Red Andy | May 24 2009, 03:50 PM Post #6 |
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Mario Theissen says: "If we do come to a decision where a works commitment doesn't make sense in any given series, then it could be for a period of time that we may only lend support to our customers, as opposed to competing ourselves." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75577 So you may be right that BMW could be willing to enter into a partnership with an F1 team. |
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| Norbert | May 24 2009, 03:57 PM Post #7 |
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Which sounds a bit odd coming from a bloke who walked away from a partnership claining the only way to do it right was to be in control of everything..... |
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| Red Andy | May 24 2009, 06:33 PM Post #8 |
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BMW were "engine supplier," not "partner" to Williams. The reason the relationship broke down was because Williams were unwilling to let BMW have any input in chassis design. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | May 24 2009, 07:29 PM Post #9 |
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Well, Williams have had their moment in the limelight and are certainly not pressing for titles or wins or even podiums right now, but they are doing a respectable job and have been pretty consistent throughout their involvement in the sport AND they are not threatening to leave, the way the manufacturers are. If BMW quit then they prove themselves incapable after all the crap between them and Williams. They go the same way as Honda. If F1 is held to ransom by the manufacturers only to see them quit the sport then the fans are screwed. Gimme Joe Bloggs Racing over Should We Stay Or Should We Go Renault anyday. Once upon a time most of the companies involved, the former great names of F1 were not the big manufacturers and much more reflected what the man in the street was capable. OK I am romanticizing a little, but the quit threats are aimed at us the fans. We'll lose out. |
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| Brave_Lee_Flea | May 26 2009, 01:46 AM Post #10 |
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lol, especially since they have fared no better on their own than they were doing with Williams. Can't say I have much sympathy but that's only because I'm a bitter Williams fan. |
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| John | May 26 2009, 09:37 AM Post #11 |
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Williams without BMW haven't exactly fared any better so that comparison is null and void.. This season has shown how fortunes can change almost overnight... Ferrari and McLaren's season show BMW are or were not alone. I understand the withdrawal from WTCC and was expecting that... I was not expecting a withdrawal from F1... especially if they do leave WTCC. I still believe BMW.Sauber will be in F1 next season... if FOTA stand firm |
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| Craze_b0i | May 26 2009, 10:24 AM Post #12 |
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Until this season I have been very impressed with BMW.Sauber. Their solid progress year on year made the likes of Toyota and Honda look very silly. So I dunno what has gone wrong in 2009. I am hoping that this quit-threat is just posturing ahead of negotiations. If any manufacturer quits due to budget capping (ie. being forced to compete with the independents on an equal footing) then I will lose all respect for them. |
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| GordonB | May 26 2009, 10:32 AM Post #13 |
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Neither Williams OR BMW, since going their separate ways, have ever matched the performances of Williams + BMW together. I personally think that this has proved that BMW were a bit "up themselves" to leave and go it alone. (speaking as another bitter Williams fan). |
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| John | May 26 2009, 10:48 AM Post #14 |
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is there another kind The BMW.Sauber teams rise from almost scratch was remarkable... and their fall from grace this season no more than a reality check... of course BMW where never going to be able to replace the experience of Williams However If anything the fortunes of both teams since their split both shows that both could have been World Champions had they worked together properly ... that is the sad reality. I do believe BMW are strong enough to recover but the question is in F1 terms are they talented enough
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| Red Andy | May 26 2009, 11:17 AM Post #15 |
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Very true I think. Look at the performances in the year before and after the BMW-Williams split: 2005: Williams BMW 5th (66pts) Sauber Petronas 8th (20pts) 2006: BMW Sauber 5th (36pts) Williams Cosworth 8th (11pts) Clearly both parties suffered from the split but BMW got the best out of it. What Sauber always lacked as a team was a decent chassis .... it looked like BMW might have solved that problem but this year things aren't going so well. |
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