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Lauda slams penalty
Topic Started: Sep 8 2008, 05:26 PM (560 Views)
stradlin24
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I think if there's one person that knows what's he's talking about it's a THREE time World Champion Niki Lauda

Two championships for Ferrari, one for McLaren

He also makes note that Kimi drove into the back of Hamilton at the hairpin and no one has said anything

Lauda also says that he believes the stewards and FIA unfairly penalising McLaren

This man is a Ferrari god and has some very strong words

It's hard to disagree with him

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7604776.stm
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http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...milton-penalty/

hmm, Ralf also has a word

"In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in F1,which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.

but note Lauda's comments near the end

"The worst decision in the history of f1"

i still can't believe people are trying to defend this bullshit

i only hope justice is done for the good of the sport
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stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
12:32 PM

but note Lauda's comments near the end

"The worst decision in the history of f1"

Gotta disagree there, wasn't the worst decision. The dq of Tyrrell in 84 is probably the worst.
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stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
06:26 PM
I think if there's one person that knows what's he's talking about it's a THREE time World Champion Niki Lauda

Lauda lost my respect last year when he made some fairly harsh comments about Fernando Alonso, and refused out of hand to acknowledge that Lewis Hamilton had any involvement at all in the problems at McLaren last year. Far from being well-informed and balanced, Lauda strikes me as being one to shamelessly stir the pot if it will get his name in the headlines....

I have great respect for Niki's achievements both in motor racing and outside it, but I don't regard his punditry as any more valid than anyone else's when it comes to current events in F1.

That said, remove all the hyperbole and he does have some fairly interesting points.
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I agree RA. Lauda's really has no standing in the sport anymore to make any informed comment -- not that this stops any of the former WDC's from speaking. He's not speaking from knowledge but from personal bias - no different than any other person.
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Lauda comes accross as pretty pro-Hamilton in my opinion. Having watched the incident from the on-board camera several times I am now certain that Hamilton gained unfair advantage. The penalty was a bit harsh, but I've seen far worse decisions, notably the Alonso penalty for allegedly blocking Massa in Monza two years ago.
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he has no standing in sport?

A THREE TIME WORLD CHAMPION HAS NO STANDING IN THE SPORT!!!! oh for god sake, what PLANET ARE WE ON!!!!!!!!!!

the guy won two WDC's for FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI and sat on the FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERARRI pit wall for years!!!!!!!!!!!

Next time Pele want's to make a comment about the quality of football, i'll just ignore him, he was shit anyway

what a load of stinking tripe!
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sorry for that rant but I just cannot believe a 3 time world champion who knows infinantly more about formula 1 then any of us arm chair plebs and some ill informed tossers in Spa can have no standing in the sport!

i find that a disrespectful, appaling and shameful comment

and i'm amazed at how far the anti-hamiltonites will go...
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stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
07:46 PM
he has no standing in sport?

A THREE TIME WORLD CHAMPION HAS NO STANDING IN THE SPORT

anymore. Lauda showed last season that he is unable to construct a rational argument when Lewis Hamilton is involved.

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the guy won two WDC's for FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI and sat on the FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERARRI pit wall for years!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, and he no longer has any active role within Formula One. You would surely be the first to agree that F1 has changed a lot even since the early '90s, let alone since Lauda's day? So, when it comes to commenting on current events, his guess is as good as any of the rest of ours. The only difference is that the press pay attention to what Lauda says because he is a respected former champion.
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Red Andy,Sep 8 2008
07:55 PM
stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
07:46 PM
he has no standing in sport?

A THREE TIME WORLD CHAMPION HAS NO STANDING IN THE SPORT

anymore. Lauda showed last season that he is unable to construct a rational argument when Lewis Hamilton is involved.

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the guy won two WDC's for FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI and sat on the FERRARI, FERRARI, FERRARI, FERARRI pit wall for years!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, and he no longer has any active role within Formula One. You would surely be the first to agree that F1 has changed a lot even since the early '90s, let alone since Lauda's day? So, when it comes to commenting on current events, his guess is as good as any of the rest of ours. The only difference is that the press pay attention to what Lauda says because he is a respected former champion.

so, by saying that Lauda isn't capable of a balanced comment when it comes to Hamilton, surely it means that your opinion on Hamilton is never valid and every single Ferrari fan should also just be ignored because they are incapable of a balanced comment as well??
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stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
08:01 PM
so, by saying that Lauda isn't capable of a balanced comment when it comes to Hamilton, surely it means that your opinion on Hamilton is never valid and every single Ferrari fan should also just be ignored because they are incapable of a balanced comment as well??

I never said Lauda was incapable of balanced comment regarding Hamilton, I said he was not able to construct a rational argument - although that should probably not be taken literally, I'm sure Niki is very rational in private. It is just that, in public, his comments on the situation at McLaren last year were basically pro-Hamilton, anti-Alonso rants, and he seemed to ignore any indication that Hamilton's attitude and behaviour may have contributed in any way to what happened at the team last season. Besides which, if everybody made balanced comments all the time it would be extremely dull, the fact that everybody's preferences affects their opinion is what makes this board a more interesting place to be.

My opinions are certainly valid. So are yours. So are everyone's on this board - I don't think anyone objects to anybody else having an opinion here, that is what TPL is intended for, although it is always nice to see some rational and well-constructed arguments. However, we are but human and we will judge each other's posts not only on what they say, but also what that individual has posted before - you have done just that, implying that I am not a fan of Hamilton, which you have presumably picked up from reading posts I have made elsewhere on the board. It is the same with Lauda - I am inclined to take his opinions less seriously because of what he has said before. You may feel that you do not wish to take my opinions, or those of Ferrari fans, into account because of things we have said in the past, which is fair enough. But don't expect everyone to be bound by your preferences. <thumbsup>
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You can't just dismiss his comments for something he has said in the past

if we were all held accountable for everything we have ever said the world would just stop

what about what Ralf said?


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stradlin23,Sep 8 2008
08:15 PM
You can't just dismiss his comments for something he has said in the past

I'm not dismissing Lauda's comments. In fact, if you read my initial post again, you will see that I conceded that he has a point if you are willing/able to cut through all the hyperbole (I don't know about anybody else, but I have this image in my head of Niki having to pause to wipe away little flecks of spittle from the corner of his mouth as he is saying all this <LOL>). The point I was arguing against was that you said, "I think if there's one person that knows what's he's talking about it's a THREE time World Champion Niki Lauda," whereas in my opinion Lauda has clearly demonstrated over the past year or so that, if he does know what he's talking about, he does a very good impression of someone who doesn't.

As for Ralf, his comments, although critical of the FIA, at least give the impression of someone speaking rationally rather than overcome with emotion, so I've no specific objections to him talking about the subject. In fact, apart from the bit where he says "To me, it was fair overtaking," (I'm still undecided on that point), I agree with everything he says.
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Niki Lauda

Amazing racer but funny that his relationship with Ferrari went sour.

Sour grapes anyone???????????????? <smartarse>


With Lauda out of the contest, Ferrari boycotted the Austrian GP in protest at what they saw a preferential treatment shown towards McLaren driver James Hunt at the Spanish and British GPs. Carlos Reutemann was even taken on as a potential replacement.

Lauda returned to race only six weeks (two races) later, finishing fourth in the Italian GP. In Lauda's absence, Hunt had reduced his lead in the World Championship standings. Following wins in the Canadian and United States GPs, Hunt stood only three points behind Lauda before the final race of the season, the Japanese GP.

Lauda qualified third, one place behind Hunt, but on race day there was torrential rain and Lauda retired after 2 laps, stating that he felt it was unsafe to continue under these conditions. Hunt led much of the race before a late puncture dropped him down the order. He recovered to 3rd, thus winning the title by a single point. In spite of this, Lauda's move is seen as one of the bravest examples in motor racing.

Lauda's previously good relationship with Ferrari was severely affected by his decision to withdraw from the race, and he endured a difficult 1977 season, despite easily winning the championship through consistency rather than outright pace. Having announced his decision to quit Ferrari at season's end, Lauda left early due to the team's decision to run the then unknown Gilles Villeneuve in a third car at the Canadian Grand Prix.



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erm, jim

that relationship must have been repaired when he appeared on the ferrari pit wall throughout the late 80's and well into the 90's..............
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