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Has Kimi Given up?; given his performance at Spa
Topic Started: Sep 8 2008, 11:51 AM (680 Views)
Alien_SAP_Fiend
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JPM was a joy to watch and how many WDC's did he win? Sato, too.
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I do not think Kimi has ever lost the desire to win but with poor qualifying he has looked deflated in the last few races.

When he was chasing Lewis after passing Massa we saw a driver who we have not seen in a while as he had the chance of the win which he would have got if the rain had not arrived.

Kimi was very impressive.

He tried his best and crashed as the Ferrari looks a total bit** if the track get greasy which is worrying if your driving a Ferrari.

Again as at Silverstone i feel Ferrari made a huge mistake not taking both drivers in for Inters as the car will just not stay on the track even with a light shower and only Massa creeping around helped him get to the end but they look TERRIBLE

Kimi looked like a World Champion on Sunday once more but again it all depends on how quali goes for him
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Well, I like watching Hamilton go at it and Massa is capable of giving as good as he gets if he feels it is appropriate to do so, but yesterday it would have been downright stupid of him to push for the win. For one thing, he was never going to be as quick as Hamilton in the rain because the McLaren keeps heat in the tyres better on a dry-to-wet track. For another, when Raikkonen retired, all he had to do was finish the race, get the 8 points and Ferrari would then presumably back him in the title race. He tried to do it the other way in Malaysia and look where that got him, so driving 'like a grandmother' was the best thing to do yesterday.

I still think that maybe bringing back the 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring ould be good for F1 as it would encourage pushing for thw in in conditions like yesterday.
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AndyW76,Sep 8 2008
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Senna was exciting to watch and a big risk taker and he won 3 WDCs.

But did that in the end Kill Senna????

I still feel the car failed but he was not scared to push beyond the limit :(
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RJHSaints,Sep 8 2008
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Well, I like watching Hamilton go at it and Massa is capable of giving as good as he gets if he feels it is appropriate to do so, but yesterday it would have been downright stupid of him to push for the win. For one thing, he was never going to be as quick as Hamilton in the rain because the McLaren keeps heat in the tyres better on a dry-to-wet track. For another, when Raikkonen retired, all he had to do was finish the race, get the 8 points and Ferrari would then presumably back him in the title race. He tried to do it the other way in Malaysia and look where that got him, so driving 'like a grandmother' was the best thing to do yesterday.

Yes Kimi proved what happens when you push a Ferrari and its damp.

The thing is as useless as a chocolate fireguard <no>
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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 8 2008
04:12 PM
AndyW76,Sep 8 2008
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Senna was exciting to watch and a big risk taker and he won 3 WDCs.

But did that in the end Kill Senna????

I still feel the car failed but he was not scared to push beyond the limit :(

As I understand it, it was the car bottoming out that caused the crash, though the crash was survivable, except for the fact that a piece of suspension penetrated his visor.
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Schemy was exciting to watch. He was ballsy
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Sep 8 2008
04:09 PM
JPM was a joy to watch and how many WDC's did he win? Sato, too.

Yes not always are the most talented the best but BOY are they exciting <bow>

Saying that Rossi is pretty amazing <bow>

Sorry away onto another sport again <topic>
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AndyW76,Sep 8 2008
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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 8 2008
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AndyW76,Sep 8 2008
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Senna was exciting to watch and a big risk taker and he won 3 WDCs.

But did that in the end Kill Senna????

I still feel the car failed but he was not scared to push beyond the limit :(

As I understand it, it was the car bottoming out that caused the crash, though the crash was survivable, except for the fact that a piece of suspension penetrated his visor.

Yes it was the car bottoming out and Senna pushing too hard on a car that was not good.

Personally i feel he died doing what he loved
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RJHSaints,Sep 8 2008
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Well, I like watching Hamilton go at it and Massa is capable of giving as good as he gets if he feels it is appropriate to do so, but yesterday it would have been downright stupid of him to push for the win. For one thing, he was never going to be as quick as Hamilton in the rain because the McLaren keeps heat in the tyres better on a dry-to-wet track. For another, when Raikkonen retired, all he had to do was finish the race, get the 8 points and Ferrari would then presumably back him in the title race. He tried to do it the other way in Malaysia and look where that got him, so driving 'like a grandmother' was the best thing to do yesterday.

I still think that maybe bringing back the 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring ould be good for F1 as it would encourage pushing for thw in in conditions like yesterday.

What I'm saying is that neither way is wrong, it is just how much you are prepared to risk. Lewis pushed and got to the line first (and later robbed). It is down to the driver's style and attitude. Schumi could attack with the best of them and took amny a risk, especially strategically, and look at his record. On the flip side, being consevative has worked out for other drivers, like Prost.
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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 8 2008
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Sep 8 2008
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JPM was a joy to watch and how many WDC's did he win?  Sato, too.

Yes not always are the most talented the best but BOY are they exciting <bow>

Saying that Rossi is pretty amazing <bow>

Sorry away onto another sport again <topic>

JPM was exciting though I do question his work ethic. McLaren ditched him for a good reason.
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Seeking pastures new instead of waiting for his contract not to be renewed is a good reason? <think>
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JPM made me start watching Formula One again. He was a breath of fresh air and his biggest mistake was going to Mclaren.
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Didnt JPM almost win the championship bar a dodgy decision from the FIA?


JPM never fitted well with Mac. I often felt Ron took him to spite Frank
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Well, announcing that you are moving to another team more than 12 month before the end of your contract isn't exactly a very positive thing to do.

I seem to remember JPM having a mare of a year in his final season at Williams. Then he hurt himself playng tennis and after that, he seemed to never recapture his pace. There was also big questions concerning his fitness. His had a huge amount of heart on entering F1 and he was a hell of a prospect, but he didn't seem to be able to ride out hard times at a team. I mean look at Alonso, he has come from nearly clinching his 3rd WDC to a rotten season at reanult and he is doing wonders in that car.
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