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Topic Started: Sep 8 2008, 04:45 AM (1,850 Views)
John
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"Pretty much any petition that doesn't require proof that anyone who signs it only signs once is automatically invalid."

No it doesnt. Signatures can be forged, votes can be lost. Look at your elections for Bush last time around.

Besides which, a degree of error, duplication and such can be factored into petitions such as these.

Anyway, that is missing the point. Whilst this isnt 100 percent accurate, it is to a degree a representation, so it inst invalidated.

Working on your forumla, means that the minority - those who cheat the system, as in life the criminals, the dishonest - invalid the majority of truthful votes.

Exteneding that to a logical extreme, that would mean lawlessness or dictatorship. Where the power of the minority exceeds that of the majoirty.

Remember kids - Don't cheat.
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http://planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4126449,00.html

Thousands sign Spa petition
Wednesday 10th September 2008



An online petition calling on the FIA to reinstate Lewis Hamilton as Belgian Grand Prix winner is gathering pace.

More than 32 500 signatures were submitted at 12.30am on Wednesday.

The petition was launched after Hamilton was demoted to third place following the stewards' decision to hand him a retrospective 25-second penalty for cutting a chicane while trying to overtake Kimi Raikkonen.

The petition, addressed to the FIA, states: "We the undersigned insist that the FIA reconsider the decision made to add 25 seconds to the finishing time of Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes) in the Formula 1 Belgium Grand-Prix (07th September 2008).

"We believe the decision that has been made to be wrong and strongly urge you to revert back to the original final classifications. The rules state that Lewis Hamilton had to give position back to Kimi Raikkonen, which he did. He then freely, and through driving skill alone got position one back."
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I think the best that this petition will acheive is a public explanation of the reasoning behind the penalty. If the FIA wanted to be pedantic, they could point out that it is extremely unlikely that Max Mosley, Felipe Massa and Stefano Domenicali would have signed the petition.
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Red Andy,Sep 10 2008
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I think the best that this petition will acheive is a public explanation of the reasoning behind the penalty.

I sure most petition signatiares expect less, but that would be nice.
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Red Andy,Sep 10 2008
01:39 PM
I think the best that this petition will acheive is a public explanation of the reasoning behind the penalty ...

Not to mention that it allows people to let off a little steam ...

On your second point, I expect it to be widely ignored within and without the FIA, partly because of the flaws already highlighted in this thread, and partly due to the imperfect phrasing of the petition itself. Because of my second point, no matter how strongly I felt on Sunday evening that the decision of the stewards was questionable I could never put my name to such a petition.
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PiquetFan,Sep 10 2008
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Red Andy,Sep 10 2008
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I think the best that this petition will acheive is a public explanation of the reasoning behind the penalty ...

Not to mention that it allows people to let off a little steam ...

On your second point, I expect it to be widely ignored within and without the FIA, partly because of the flaws already highlighted in this thread, and partly due to the imperfect phrasing of the petition itself. No matter how strongly I felt on Sunday evening that the decision of the stewards was questionable I could never put my name to such a petition.

so you allow the cheating minority, such as John, to dictate you expression of freedom then?
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dazzerjp,Sep 10 2008
02:13 PM
so you allow the cheating minority, such as John, to dictate you expression of freedom then?

I have edited my post in the interests of clarity <thumbsup>
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PiquetFan,Sep 10 2008
09:38 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 10 2008
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so you allow the cheating minority, such as John, to dictate you expression of freedom then?

I have edited my post in the interests of clarity <thumbsup>

you mean youve changed your mind
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http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20746.html

A petition supporting Lewis

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The fans of Formula 1 are clearly upset about the decision by the FIA Stewards at Spa on Sunday night and in just 36 hours have amassed a total of 22,000 signatures on an Internet petition.

The petition says that "we, the undersigned, insist that the FIA reconsider the decision made to add 25 seconds to the finishing time of Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes) in the Formula 1 Belgium Grand-Prix. We believe the decision that has been made to be wrong and strongly urge you to revert back to the original final classifications. The rules state that Lewis Hamilton had to give position back to Kimi Raikkonen, which he did. He then freely, and through driving skill alone got position one back."

The mood of the fans is clear when one reads the hundreds of message that have come with the votes. For more information go to www.petitiononline.com.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/70446

More than 23,000 fans have signed an online petition urging the FIA to reconsider the penalty that stripped Lewis Hamilton of victory in the Belgian Grand Prix.

The way that Hamilton was punished for gaining an advantage when he cut the chicane in the closing stages of the race has infuriated fans.

And one has now set up a petition to garner support for Hamilton's penalty to be overturned.

The petition is addressed to the FIA and states: "We the undersigned insist that the FIA reconsider the decision made to add 25 seconds to the finishing time of Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes) in the Formula 1 Belgium Grand-Prix (07th September 2008).

"We believe the decision that has been made to be wrong and strongly urge you to revert back to the original final classifications. The rules state that Lewis Hamilton had to give position back to Kimi Raikkonen, which he did. He then freely, and through driving skill alone got position one back."



a few more stories like this and reuters or PA will pick this up for syndication and it will got to the feeds and wires
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Does anyone want to start a petition to get MS reinstated in the 1997 WDC because they disagree with the FIA's decision....?

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Schumacher did not have a WDC taken away... he was removed from 2nd place in the standings... overturning the decision would still only make him runner up... <think>
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