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Topic Started: Sep 8 2008, 04:45 AM (1,852 Views)
dazzerjp
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
06:10 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 8 2008
06:33 PM
So, really the Belguim Grand Prix is more correct as the Belgian Grand Prix means a grand prix of belgians

Well, firstly it's wrong because you've got the spelling wrong..... :P

Secondly, 'Belgian Grand Prix' refers to the fact that the race is 'owned' by the people from Belgium, collective of which is Belgians.


The PLURAL of Belgain is Belgains, not the "collective". Beglian is the adjective of the compound noun Grand Prix and has no collective form.
Nouns have collective form, but not adjectives

Belgian Grand Prix doesnt use the possesive form despite seeming to be a possesive adjective.
It would be Belgian's Grand Prix. if it did.

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Thirdly, if you want to refer to the country in name rather than by ownership, the title should be 'Grand Prix of Belgium'.



Grand Prix of Belgium is also correct, however the form is passive and is best avoided within the English language, especially in titles. It doesnt "refer to the country in name rather than by ownership" but just changes the active/passive relationship, Im afraid. It just means grand Prix is more important than Belgium

Belgium Grand Prix is correct. Belgian Grand Prix is also correct, but it assumes prior knowldge of the subject and is thus the informal version. In a petition, it is common place for the useafge of formal prose. So , in this instance the authour is correct.


Belgium Grand Prix - takes place in Belguim
Belgian Grand Prix - the same but informal, singular Belgain racer
Belgian's Grand Prix - belonging to the peole of Belgium
Belgium's grand Prix - it belongs to belgium or has only belgium drivers
Belgiums Grand Prix - just wrong and belgium is not countable in its noun form. The Grands Prix of Belgium would work, noting that the couter prefix is Grand rather than the expected prix

English has its myriads of rules mostly due to the absorbing of sub set languages such as French, German, etc. In that respect, English is by far and a way the most developed oral and wriiten language on this planet.

EDITED to correct spolling mistakes and tidy up.
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
01:01 PM
Norbert,Sep 9 2008
06:10 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 8 2008
06:33 PM
So, really the Belguim Grand Prix is more correct as the Belgian Grand Prix means a grand prix of belgians

Well, firstly it's wrong because you've got the spelling wrong..... :P

Secondly, 'Belgian Grand Prix' refers to the fact that the race is 'owned' by the people from Belgium, collective of which is Belgians.


The PLURAL of Belgain is Belgains, not the "collective". Beglian is the adjective of the compound noun Grand Prix and has no collective form.
Nouns have collective form, but not adjectives

Belgian Grand Prix doesnt use the possesive form despite seeming to be a possesive adjective.
It would be Belgian's Grand Prix. if it did.

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Thirdly, if you want to refer to the country in name rather than by ownership, the title should be 'Grand Prix of Belgium'.



Grand Prix of Belgium is also correct, however the form is passive and is best avoided within the English language, especially in titles. It doesnt "refer to the country in name rather than by ownership" but just changes the active/passive relationship, Im afraid. It just means grand Prix is more important than Belgium

Belgium Grand Prix is correct. Belgian Grand Prix is also correct, but it assumes prior knowldge of the subject and is thus the informal version. In a petition, it is common place for the useafge of formal prose. So , in this instance the authour is correct.


Belgium Grand Prix - takes place in Belguim
Belgian Grand Prix - the same but informal, singular Belgain racer
Belgian's Grand Prix - belonging to the peole of Belgium
Belgium's grand Prix - it belongs to belgium or has only belgium drivers
Belgiums Grand Prix - just wrong and belgium is not countable in its noun form. The Grands Prix of Belgium would work, noting that the couter prefix is Grand rather than the expected prix

English has its myriads of rules mostly due to the absorbing of sub set languages such as French, German, etc. In that respect, English is by far and a way the most developed oral and wriiten language on this planet.

EDITED to correct spolling mistakes and tidy up.

Now my head hurts.
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TBH, I was getting bored as I was writing it.


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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
02:01 PM
EDITED to correct spolling mistakes and tidy up.

Missed some of them, not to mention the "greengrocer's apostrophes"......

<peek>
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
11:28 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
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EDITED to correct spolling mistakes and tidy up.

not to mention the "greengrocer's apostrophes"......

<peek>

lol.

you are joking right?

<roflmao>
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
03:30 PM
Norbert,Sep 9 2008
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
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EDITED to correct spolling mistakes and tidy up.

not to mention the "greengrocer's apostrophes"......

<peek>

lol.

you are joking right?

<roflmao>

No. lol Unless Belgain is a nationality.....
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adding the 's makes the noun/adjective possessive.

Belgian is an adjective.

Belgium - Proper singluar noun
Belgiums - Proper plural noun - 2 belgiums or more
Belgium's - Possesive noun
Belgian - Singular adjective
Belgians - Plural adj. - not correct, ie 2 pinks car
Belgian's - Possessive adjective of the noun - Grand Prix


ah, I see. My spolling.

Its the wife computer Im using today and it's a not English language.
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
03:25 PM
22130 Total Signatures

for those who may be interested


Wow... Impressive... <angel>
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John,Sep 9 2008
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
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Wow... Impressive... <angel>

<roflmao>
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John,Sep 8 2008
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dazzerjp,Sep 8 2008
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That doesn't invalidate the process though.

No the fact I one person have signed it 5 times (so far <thumbsup> ) invalidates it

If there were a postal petition, would you 'invalidate' it by sending 5 responses?
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FlutterBy,Sep 9 2008
05:56 PM
If there were a postal petition, would you 'invalidate' it by sending 5 responses?

Evening FB...

No... and if you had taken a little time to read all my posts you would have seen that I said that had all those truly 'angered' by this borderline (but legitimate) decision put pen to paper and wrote to the FIA that would have been a truer representation of feeling...

This farcical petition is a way for some to vent their spleen... It is lazy because just as I added a few Sig's... reading through it you can clearly see others also signed more than once... even using the same name <doh>

However as the overall number of signatures is what really matters (to some) surely the more the merrier
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You have validated my objection by ignoring it. I have no more to say on the matter; the readers of this thread will form their own opinions.
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FlutterBy,Sep 9 2008
11:56 AM
John,Sep 8 2008
04:45 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 8 2008
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That doesn't invalidate the process though.

No the fact I one person have signed it 5 times (so far <thumbsup> ) invalidates it

If there were a postal petition, would you 'invalidate' it by sending 5 responses?

Pretty much any petition that doesn't require proof that anyone who signs it only signs once is automatically invalid.
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FlutterBy,Sep 9 2008
08:28 PM
the readers of this thread will form their own opinions.

<thumbsup>
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Rob,Sep 9 2008
08:42 PM
Pretty much any petition that doesn't require proof that anyone who signs it only signs once is automatically invalid.

I naturally agree
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