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Hamilton demoted to 3rd
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:16 PM (5,651 Views)
slbb2611
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the only thing i can think of is that since lewis cut the chicane he had a shorter time to accelerate than kimi and that would account for the 6km/h speed difference and if that was the case then i think a punishment would be justifiabe but still a less severe one (perhaps a a grid penalty for the next race.)

Unfortunately unless the stewards release the data they have we will not know the whole story.

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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
08:51 PM
Might as well start watching WWE at least everyone knows thats setup....

What??? Don't be daft, it's all real - especially the stuff in the car parks and stuff....

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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
08:53 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:51 PM
u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
07:46 PM
From BBC Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7603179.stm

The McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data, and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.


Sounds like backing off to me <think>

Not lifted cause he was 6kph slower than Kimi as the start line is just after the corner and Lewis was on the wet side of the circuit after cutting the corner.

Mclaren are speaking crap.

You back off and you have no chance of overtaking.

I thought Ferrari fans had tinted glasses <wtf>

He could catch and pass Kimi because Kimi couldn't handle the change in track conditions!!!!!!!

...i gave up trying to reason with them a while a go mate

for some, their spectacles are simply too red, it's a shame
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I guess than unless/until the stewards say what it was that prompted them to decide that Hamilton shoud be penalised, we'll only be able to guess....

Anyone know what the relative lap times were?
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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
07:53 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:51 PM
u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
07:46 PM
From BBC Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7603179.stm

The McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data, and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.


Sounds like backing off to me <think>

Not lifted cause he was 6kph slower than Kimi as the start line is just after the corner and Lewis was on the wet side of the circuit after cutting the corner.

Mclaren are speaking crap.

You back off and you have no chance of overtaking.

I thought Ferrari fans had tinted glasses <wtf>

He could catch and pass Kimi because Kimi couldn't handle the change in track conditions!!!!!!!

On a straight line with Kimi on the the dry line and Lewis on the wet and he was MENT to have backed off

OMG <wtf>

Whats going on are you blind?????
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slbb2611,Sep 7 2008
07:53 PM
the only thing i can think of is that since lewis cut the chicane he had a shorter time to accelerate than kimi and that would account for the 6km/h speed difference and if that was the case then i think a punishment would be justifiabe but still a less severe one (perhaps a a grid penalty for the next race.)

Unfortunately unless the stewards release the data they have we will not know the whole story.

<clap> <clap> <dance>

Sense spoken

I do agree he should have had less a penalty tho say 2nd place or 10 place grid drop
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Norbert,Sep 7 2008
07:56 PM
I guess than unless/until the stewards say what it was that prompted them to decide that Hamilton shoud be penalised, we'll only be able to guess....

Anyone know what the relative lap times were?

Too hard to tell as it was dry the laps before as this would have helped
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Why did we see no onboard footage of this incident from either car when they both had cameras?
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Norbert,Sep 7 2008
08:00 PM
Why did we see no onboard footage of this incident from either car when they both had cameras?

It may have proved Lewis backing off or not but you can see he has not from the outside view
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I think he did, but not really enough.....
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Norbert,Sep 7 2008
08:03 PM
I think he did, but not really enough.....

Its just the fact that if a F1 car backs off there is no way he would have got near Kimi.

It must have been the slightest back off but still i do not believe this as he was on the damp part of the track as well.

It is a shame its sorted out after the GP but <no>

The worst part about it is Lewis WOULD i feel have won if he had just waited
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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:34 PM

OK...

1: THey come out the corner, Lewis is ahead
2: they cross the s/f line, Kimi is just ahead
3: Half way down the straght - just past the grid, Kimi has his whole car ahead of Lewis
4: Kimi move to the outsideand, Lewis takes the inside and passes.


So from losing ground to pasing is from momentum is it? Its nothing to do with Kimi breaking earlier then Lewis?


So, what are you meant to do if the guy in front is slower and leaves the door open? Should have let him pass again?
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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
08:07 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:34 PM

OK...

1: THey come out the corner, Lewis is ahead
2: they cross the s/f line, Kimi is just ahead
3: Half way down the straght - just past the grid, Kimi has his whole car ahead of Lewis
4: Kimi move to the outsideand, Lewis takes the inside and passes.


So from losing ground to pasing is from momentum is it? Its nothing to do with Kimi breaking earlier then Lewis?


So, what are you meant to do if the guy in front is slower and leaves the door open? Should have let him pass again?

You forgot to say he backed off.

Kimi only go past cause Lewis was on the damp side of the track but Lewis was alongside Kimi a good way along the start straight and this is a F1 car backing off??

Lewis just showed he is still a rookie and did not do what he should had done.
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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
09:07 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:34 PM

OK...

1: THey come out the corner, Lewis is ahead
2: they cross the s/f line, Kimi is just ahead
3: Half way down the straght - just past the grid, Kimi has his whole car ahead of Lewis
4: Kimi move to the outsideand, Lewis takes the inside and passes.


So from losing ground to pasing is from momentum is it? Its nothing to do with Kimi breaking earlier then Lewis?


So, what are you meant to do if the guy in front is slower and leaves the door open? Should have let him pass again?

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If Lewis had followed Kimi through the corner the correct way he would not have been alongside Kimi and able to pass.

The Ferrari is very fast in a straight line so no way would Lewis on the damp side of the track pass the Ferrari if he had backed off

At least the ppl who matter have got it correct <clap>

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