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Hamilton demoted to 3rd
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:16 PM (5,652 Views)
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Matt... I had a great race.... and was very happy with the result, Heidfeld finally getting a good race... and BMW surpassing it's points tally from last year...

the first I heard of the penalty was a few minutes ago when I logged on tonight... I am flabbergasted, from what I saw nothing out of the ordinary happened... except maybe a start to finish great race...

I cannot see how the decision was made, and I will be amazed if it is not reversed... but with the next race less than a week away and in Ferrari's back yard, it hands a Hugh physiological advantage over McLaren...

how quickly can the appeal be heard anyway
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The main problem is Lewis was ment to back off after cutting the corner but then had the run on Kimi to pass.

He did gain an advantage.

If he had backed off and not past there would be no problem.

Glock passed under a yellow flag and gained an advantage too and received the same so i can not see why there is a argument for Lewis.

When i was racing in Karting and i passed while missing a corner you backed off to let the guy through and in doing so there was NO chance you could challenge the guy until at least another lap due to backing off so to pass the guy at the next corner just shows he did not lift.

Just look at the difference when a F1 car is following another car out of a corner and the guy in front gets on the gas that bit earlier.

If Lewis HAD backed off there is NO WAY he could have challenged Kimi



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errr Jim

Did Hamilton pass under yellow?

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd2n1HxkRy8

No WAY did he back off

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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
07:30 PM
The main problem is Lewis was ment to back off after cutting the corner but then had the run on Kimi to pass.

He did gain an advantage.

If he had backed off and not past there would be no problem.

Glock passed under a yellow flag and gained an advantage too and received the same so i can not see why there is a argument for Lewis.

When i was racing in Karting and i passed while missing a corner you backed off to let the guy through and in doing so there was NO chance you could challenge the guy until at least another lap due to backing off so to pass the guy at the next corner just shows he did not lift.

Just look at the difference when a F1 car is following another car out of a corner and the guy in front gets on the gas that bit earlier.

If Lewis HAD backed off there is NO WAY he could have challenged Kimi

He did back off, Kimi re-took the position, what other definition of backing off is there?

Does it say in the rules that you are not allowed to attack on the next corner and that you have to wait a lap to do so?
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 7 2008
08:35 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
07:30 PM
The main problem is Lewis was ment to back off after cutting the corner but then had the run on Kimi to pass.

He did gain an advantage.

If he had backed off and not past there would be no problem.

Glock passed under a yellow flag and gained an advantage too and received the same so i can not see why there is a argument for Lewis.

When i was racing in Karting and i passed while missing a corner you backed off to let the guy through and in doing so there was NO chance you could challenge the guy until at least another lap due to backing off so to pass the guy at the next corner just shows he did not lift.

Just look at the difference when a F1 car is following another car out of a corner and the guy in front gets on the gas that bit earlier.

If Lewis HAD backed off there is NO WAY he could have challenged Kimi

He did back off, Kimi re-took the position, what other definition of backing off is there?

Does it say in the rules that you are not allowed to attack on the next corner and that you have to wait a lap to do so?

very correct mate

the hamilton haters are just making up complete rubbish to justify this travesty

a shame because i thought certain people were better than that
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 7 2008
07:35 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
07:30 PM
The main problem is Lewis was ment to back off after cutting the corner but then had the run on Kimi to pass.

He did gain an advantage.

If he had backed off and not past there would be no problem.

Glock passed under a yellow flag and gained an advantage too and received the same so i can not see why there is a argument for Lewis.

When i was racing in Karting and i passed while missing a corner you backed off to let the guy through and in doing so there was NO chance you could challenge the guy until at least another lap due to backing off so to pass the guy at the next corner just shows he did not lift.

Just look at the difference when a F1 car is following another car out of a corner and the guy in front gets on the gas that bit earlier.

If Lewis HAD backed off there is NO WAY he could have challenged Kimi

He did back off, Kimi re-took the position, what other definition of backing off is there?

Does it say in the rules that you are not allowed to attack on the next corner and that you have to wait a lap to do so?

If he had backed off he would not be near Kimi

Come on guys watch the footage <no>
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According to the stewards, a dangerous pit exit is worthy of a €10,000 fine, but letting somebody overtake is a 25 second penalty.

I'm a little bit confused here.
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OK just (re)watched the incident (thanks for posting) and it's true to say that LH doesn't back off enough, I now think he was rather rash and I'd say his penalty is more or less equivalent to a drive through which was to late n the race to administer.

It was his race, he was all over kimi, LH would have won anyway if he'd been patient.

Now I am even more p*****d off than ever. I'm not going to lose any more sleep over F1, there's little point.
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From BBC Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7603179.stm

The McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data, and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.


Sounds like backing off to me <think>
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Lord Tau,Sep 7 2008
08:41 PM
According to the stewards, a dangerous pit exit is worthy of a €10,000 fine, but letting somebody overtake is a 25 second penalty.

I'm a little bit confused here.

agree totally

i'm still shocked tbh
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 7 2008
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OK just (re)watched the incident (thanks for posting) and it's true to say that LH doesn't back off enough, I now think he was rather rash and I'd say his penalty is more or less equivalent to a drive through which was to late n the race to administer.

It was his race, he was all over kimi, LH would have won anyway if he'd been patient.

Now I am even more p*****d off than ever. I'm not going to lose any more sleep over F1, there's little point.

Totally agree.

I have backed Lewis before esp Monza when he was give a stupid penalty but this time the FIA are correct
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u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
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From BBC Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7603179.stm

The McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data, and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.


Sounds like backing off to me <think>

Not lifted cause he was 6kph slower than Kimi as the start line is just after the corner and Lewis was on the wet side of the circuit after cutting the corner.

Mclaren are speaking crap.

You back off and you have no chance of overtaking.

I thought Ferrari fans had tinted glasses <wtf>

Only reason Kimi DID get back past was he was on the DRY LINE

IF YOU HAVE ANY F1 WISDOM LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE

At least TheCompleteGuitarist can see this now i just wish the rest of you would

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Might as well start watching WWE at least everyone knows thats setup.... They're not in charge of F1 now are they???? <think>
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ELUSIVEJIM,Sep 7 2008
08:51 PM
u4coffee,Sep 7 2008
07:46 PM
From BBC Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7603179.stm

The McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data, and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.


Sounds like backing off to me <think>

Not lifted cause he was 6kph slower than Kimi as the start line is just after the corner and Lewis was on the wet side of the circuit after cutting the corner.

Mclaren are speaking crap.

You back off and you have no chance of overtaking.

I thought Ferrari fans had tinted glasses <wtf>

He could catch and pass Kimi because Kimi couldn't handle the change in track conditions!!!!!!!
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