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Hamilton demoted to 3rd
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:16 PM (5,636 Views)
AndyW76
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Oh that one. <think>

Just a bit of a fudge if you ask me. Surely coming in for your penalty on the last lap means that you only serve half the penalty because you only travel down half the pitlane before you cross the finishing line. Who could blame Ferrari for exploiting a daft loophole in the rules?
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
04:32 PM
Who could blame Ferrari for exploiting a daft loophole in the rules?

McLaren fans.

<devil>



<peek>
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
03:37 PM
AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
04:32 PM
Who could blame Ferrari for exploiting a daft loophole in the rules?

McLaren fans.

<devil>



<peek>

Well, seeing as Mika Hakkinen was MS's main rival that year (especially after MS did DC up like a kipper at Buenos Aries), yes.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
06:22 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007

excellent post mate

over the course of those two clips there is actually more evidence for a Kimi penalty than than a Hamilton penalty

Of course it would never happen because Kimi has a red car but I think that is fairly conclusive to back up that the Hamilton penalty is nothing more than pathetic Mclaren hatred

I only hope for the good of the sport that justice is done, sadly, I can't see it happening and the tainted and fake championship will roll onto Monza

The home of the con artists, sorry I meant Ferrari
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
12:22 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007

Counter point (knowing I shouldn't do this, but)

Speed is relative, so saying he failed to slow for the yellow can be debated all day. I'm sure if McLaren wanted they could protest, there should be telemetry involved. Additionally it appears that Lewis didn't slow down either as the gap between the two remained consistent until Lewis had to slow to avoid the Williams.

The overtaking under the yellow happened when Lewis left the track. I'm not sure what the rule is, but I don't think the following driver is obligated to stay behind the leading driver when the leading driver is off track.

I think the rule as it's applied to safety cars is the leading driver must proceed without undue delay. I imagine the rule would be the similar under a local yellow. That also eliminates the issue of Kimi not giving back the position.

Now the advantage Kimi got by running wide, well that is a legit concern, Kimi does reenter the track behind Lewis, a few car lengths. Unfortunately any advantage cannot be judged from that video because we don't see the gap before they enter the corner. Get he entry and we'll see. However it should be noted the FIA probably won't give a penalty to a car that retired.
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stradlin23,Sep 9 2008
01:09 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
06:22 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007

excellent post mate

over the course of those two clips there is actually more evidence for a Kimi penalty than than a Hamilton penalty

Of course it would never happen because Kimi has a red car but I think that is fairly conclusive to back up that the Hamilton penalty is nothing more than pathetic Mclaren hatred

I only hope for the good of the sport that justice is done, sadly, I can't see it happening and the tainted and fake championship will roll onto Monza

The home of the con artists, sorry I meant Ferrari

So a 25 second penalty for Kimi for Spa? I fairness I have to agree.
<sarcasm>
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Rob,Sep 9 2008
07:20 PM
stradlin23,Sep 9 2008
01:09 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
06:22 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007

excellent post mate

over the course of those two clips there is actually more evidence for a Kimi penalty than than a Hamilton penalty

Of course it would never happen because Kimi has a red car but I think that is fairly conclusive to back up that the Hamilton penalty is nothing more than pathetic Mclaren hatred

I only hope for the good of the sport that justice is done, sadly, I can't see it happening and the tainted and fake championship will roll onto Monza

The home of the con artists, sorry I meant Ferrari

So a 25 second penalty for Kimi for Spa? I fairness I have to agree.
<sarcasm>

did Kimi gain an advantage by using track that isn't actually the proper circuit?

yes he did!

so, surely, he should get a 10 place grid drop?

if you agree with the Hamilton penalty then you must agree with that

you can't have it both ways

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stradlin23,Sep 9 2008
01:43 PM
Rob,Sep 9 2008
07:20 PM
stradlin23,Sep 9 2008
01:09 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
06:22 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

intertesting view of events

as is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZmZzasDEw&feature=related

- failing to slow for yellow flaf
- overtaking under yellow
- failing to surrender advantaged gained
- gaining advantage for running very very wide on the previous corner, as he did lap after lap at Fuji in 2007

excellent post mate

over the course of those two clips there is actually more evidence for a Kimi penalty than than a Hamilton penalty

Of course it would never happen because Kimi has a red car but I think that is fairly conclusive to back up that the Hamilton penalty is nothing more than pathetic Mclaren hatred

I only hope for the good of the sport that justice is done, sadly, I can't see it happening and the tainted and fake championship will roll onto Monza

The home of the con artists, sorry I meant Ferrari

So a 25 second penalty for Kimi for Spa? I fairness I have to agree.
<sarcasm>

did Kimi gain an advantage by using track that isn't actually the proper circuit?

yes he did!

so, surely, he should get a 10 place grid drop?

if you agree with the Hamilton penalty then you must agree with that

you can't have it both ways

In my post before my smart ass one that you responded to, I said it cannot be determined because we don't see the gap before the corner.

If we are assuming that Kimi did gain and advantage, and even that is questionable because he traveled a greater distance then Lewis did, you are proposing that Kimi get a 10 grid spot penalty, and Lewis keeps only the 25 second penalty I would disagree with you. At the worst for Kimi they should get the same penalty, so if Kimi is dropped 10 places at Monza, the Lewis should be reinstated as the Spa winner and also be given a 10 spot penalty.
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Oh god just give Lewis his 25 seconds back and be done with it.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Sep 9 2008
04:30 PM
Oh god just give Lewis his 25 seconds back and be done with it.

Not sure we have that power....
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You'd think it was the end of the world the way people carry on. He lost 4 points. He will live. Move on.
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
02:49 PM
John,Sep 9 2008
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
03:22 PM

The ban was for excess wear on the plank under the car after the Belgian GP.

<roflmao> I recalled incorectly...

The black flag incident was the next year. One of MS's gazillion F1 records is being the only driver to win a race while in the pits....

<roflmao>

Seems he got a taste for winning things in the pits, like positions on track
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Rob,Sep 10 2008
09:34 AM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Sep 9 2008
04:30 PM
Oh god just give Lewis his 25 seconds back and be done with it.

Not sure we have that power....

True, but he was asking God to do it, not us <thumbsup>



And if Lewis really can walk on water.....



...then does that make Anthony God? <peek>
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