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Hamilton demoted to 3rd
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:16 PM (5,638 Views)
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John,Sep 9 2008
03:29 PM
It was uncalled for... now had you been doing your job correctly you would have pick that up and not my reply... <doh>

Touche <flirt>
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
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In the same vane, it is not inconceivable that Kimi was slow down the S/F straight because of the ferrari's poor grip in the wet, which is something that Lewis had no judgement or control over. Lewis had no other measure by which to judge backing off other than letting Kimi past. Hence Lewis has been punished in and unfair and unquantifiable way.

irrespective of Kimi's speed due to the Ferrari's grip going down the straight (something we really can only speculate on), Lewis should have IMO applied some more common sense knowing full well the current climate with stewards decision lately and not instantly take the position back. Hey this is just my opinion, I understand why people are up in arms about it though.
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:09 PM
HOW THE HELL CAN LEWIS POSSIBLY HAVE EXITED THE CORNER FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY DONE?

HE DIDN'T, BUT HE EXITED THE COERNER MUCH FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE DONE HAD HE BACKED OFF AND STAYED ON THE RACETRACK RATHER THAN PISS OFF DOWN THE RUNOFF.
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John,Sep 9 2008
01:16 PM
The 'Oh Please' was response to your blatant reference to the drivers nationality...

Of course this being the case... is this an admission that the Brits dislike Alonso because he is not a Brit.. <think>

Thanks for confirming what many widely suspected... <clap>

John, your accusations of biggotry are unwarranted, though I shouldn't expect any less. <no>

The fact is that this is not down to who hates who etc. In fact far from it. The case is that, if you had a choice between something german or something none german, you would the german item. It is a natural bias. Trulli, being italian, would naturally side with Ferrari, seeing as Ferrari are only slightly less popular than God in italy. Also, as a current driver, public criticism of FIA stewards would be dimlty looked up on by the FIA and he may leave himself open to sanction or less favourable treatment in disciplinary situations. Where as, if he backs up the stewards decisions, he is seen as towing the party line and avoids unnecessary attention.
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:09 PM
HOW THE HELL CAN LEWIS POSSIBLY HAVE EXITED THE CORNER FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY DONE?

HE DIDN'T, BUT HE EXITED THE COERNER MUCH FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE DONE HAD HE BACKED OFF AND STAYED ON THE RACETRACK RATHER THAN PISS OFF DOWN THE RUNOFF.

Well, if he had stayed behind kimi, due to the superior grip of the mcLaren, it is likely that Lewis would have exited the corner up Kimi's arse and hence be going the same speed as kimi.
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craggle78,Sep 9 2008
10:31 PM
AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
01:22 PM


In the same vane, it is not inconceivable that Kimi was slow down the S/F straight because of the ferrari's poor grip in the wet, which is something that Lewis had no judgement or control over. Lewis had no other measure by which to judge backing off other than letting Kimi past. Hence Lewis has been punished in and unfair and unquantifiable way.

irrespective of Kimi's speed due to the Ferrari's grip going down the straight (something we really can only speculate on), Lewis should have IMO applied some more common sense knowing full well the current climate with stewards decision lately and not instantly take the position back. Hey this is just my opinion, I understand why people are up in arms about it though.

My thoughts as well. He really does need to be holier than holy and not give even the slightest reason for the FIA machine to punish him. To go beyond the letter of the law.

Any other season, any other team, wouldnt need to.

If he wins this year, man that wil be some fine achievement. I cant remmeber a champion in my lifetime that has hd to battle such odds and at such an early stage in his career.

Lewis is judged above those of his peers and likewise should be viewed as such
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:42 PM
Norbert,Sep 9 2008
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:09 PM
HOW THE HELL CAN LEWIS POSSIBLY HAVE EXITED THE CORNER FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY DONE?

HE DIDN'T, BUT HE EXITED THE COERNER MUCH FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE DONE HAD HE BACKED OFF AND STAYED ON THE RACETRACK RATHER THAN PISS OFF DOWN THE RUNOFF.

Well, if he had stayed behind kimi, due to the superior grip of the mcLaren, it is likely that Lewis would have exited the corner up Kimi's arse and hence be going the same speed as kimi.

No, because he'd have had to lift in doing so. So in actual fact he'd prbably have been half a second behind and in no position to overtake.

Even Trulli agrees with me where I suggested that waiting until Les Combe would have resulted in no action taken.....
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John,Sep 9 2008
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PiquetFan,Sep 9 2008
02:25 PM
No place for nationality bashing in this thread.  Let's keep on topic <thumbsup>

LOL.... I agree which is why I was highlighting the previous members insinuation

It was uncalled for... now had you been doing your job correctly you would have pick that up and not my reply... <doh>

I wasn't nationality bashing, I was merely pointing out a minor coincidence and possible motive for Jarno's comments.
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
02:43 PM
If he wins this year, man that wil be some fine achievement. I cant remmeber a champion in my lifetime that has hd to battle such odds and at such an early stage in his career.

1994, Michael Schumacher. Two race ban, DQ in Spa, other dubious judgements, yet still beat Damon Hill to the title....

<thumbsup>
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:40 PM
Trulli, being italian, would naturally side with Ferrari, seeing as Ferrari are only slightly less popular than God in Italy.

Fair enough... then you must also accept that the opinions of JYS are equally biased and can be dismissed as you dismiss those of the Italian Truli...

I'm willing to go with that... <thumbsup>
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
10:45 PM
dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
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If he wins this year, man that wil be some fine achievement. I cant remmeber a champion in my lifetime that has hd to battle such odds and at such an early stage in his career.

1994, Michael Schumacher. Two race ban, DQ in Spa, other dubious judgements, yet still beat Damon Hill to the title....

<thumbsup>

Different recall of that year. What was the 2 year ban for?
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
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Norbert,Sep 9 2008
01:34 PM
AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:09 PM
HOW THE HELL CAN LEWIS POSSIBLY HAVE EXITED THE CORNER FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY DONE?

HE DIDN'T, BUT HE EXITED THE COERNER MUCH FASTER THAN HE WOULD HAVE DONE HAD HE BACKED OFF AND STAYED ON THE RACETRACK RATHER THAN PISS OFF DOWN THE RUNOFF.

Well, if he had stayed behind kimi, due to the superior grip of the mcLaren, it is likely that Lewis would have exited the corner up Kimi's arse and hence be going the same speed as kimi.

No, because he'd have had to lift in doing so. So in actual fact he'd prbably have been half a second behind and in no position to overtake.

Even Trulli agrees with me where I suggested that waiting until Les Combe would have resulted in no action taken.....

Oh, I agree that a more astute move would have been to wait until Les Combes, but hind sight is a wonderful thing and, having never driven an F1 car, I can not possible imagine what it is like to have to make that decision in that situation, bearing in mind that he was trying to manhandle a 1300BHP/tonne monster on a very slippery surface, on inappropriate tyres, while trying to let a rival in the same situation past, all without putting it in the wall.
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John,Sep 9 2008
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AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
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Trulli, being italian, would naturally side with Ferrari, seeing as Ferrari are only slightly less popular than God in Italy.

Fair enough... then you must also accept that the opinions of JYS are equally biased and can be dismissed as you dismiss those of the Italian Truli...

I'm willing to go with that... <thumbsup>

And Nikki Lauda? What is his motivation?
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John,Sep 9 2008
10:46 PM
AndyW76,Sep 9 2008
02:40 PM
Trulli, being italian, would naturally side with Ferrari, seeing as Ferrari are only slightly less popular than God in Italy.

Fair enough... then you must also accept that the opinions of JYS are equally biased and can be dismissed as you dismiss those of the Italian Truli...

I'm willing to go with that... <thumbsup>

yes, it is fair.

What is not so fair or decent is the continued use of insults, rudeness and breaches of forums rules that you have shown in recent days - thinly disgusted as logic extremes of an arguemnt.

Play with a straight bat.
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dazzerjp,Sep 9 2008
03:50 PM
What is not so fair or decent is the continued use of insults, rudeness and breaches of forums rules that you have shown in recent days - thinly disgusted as logic extremes of an arguemnt.

This is not directed at dazzer, but it bears repeating.

If any member has an issue with what any other member has written please use the PM system or contact the staff rather than trying to settle it within one of the threads.

Thank you.
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