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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:16 PM (5,641 Views) | |
| stradlin24 | Sep 8 2008, 07:06 PM Post #226 |
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that was boring |
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| Monty | Sep 8 2008, 07:09 PM Post #227 |
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As boring as your complaining and attacking of posters who challenge your views? |
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| stradlin24 | Sep 8 2008, 07:11 PM Post #228 |
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so kiddy wants to play? sadly, i've got better things to do calm down dc |
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| Monty | Sep 8 2008, 07:13 PM Post #229 |
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Yup, better things to do like have 50 posts in one thread. Dam cool. |
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| stradlin24 | Sep 8 2008, 07:17 PM Post #230 |
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erm, since when has 33 being 50? "dam" cool ah Dc! "dam" cool! carry on dc...... |
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| PiquetFan | Sep 8 2008, 07:19 PM Post #231 |
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C'mon guys - no personal attacks please. This thread has mostly been debated in a great spirit. |
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| stradlin24 | Sep 8 2008, 07:27 PM Post #232 |
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| Norbert | Sep 8 2008, 07:44 PM Post #233 |
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I don't recall being given any Jameson.....
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| Nomad | Sep 9 2008, 02:29 AM Post #234 |
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My personal impression was that Hamilton had violated the rules. As a Steward, I cannot offer an opinion without hearing the arguements made by the participants and reviewing the information and evidence presented at the hearing. Similarly, I cannot give an opinion of the appropriateness of the penalty assigned. The Stewards of that particular Meet have information and evidence not available to us fans. I will wait and look at the results of the Appeal process. And no, I have no idea whether the Appeal can or will be accepted. |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Sep 9 2008, 10:31 AM Post #235 |
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http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one...y-tricky-i.html Bearing in mind that Ed Gorman is one of Lewis' biggest fans...
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| AndyW76 | Sep 9 2008, 11:09 AM Post #236 |
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I feel that the penalty was metted out based on their opinions but was stated as fact, which is shaky legal grounds, to say the least. It is impossible to say whether hamilton did get an advantage or that Raikkonen was unusually slow on the S/F straight. Bearing in mind that the ferrari was struggling on the wet parts of the track, the second option is as feasible as the first, in which case, may be Lewis did back off enough. The fact is that the rules do not explicitly state how much advantage to give back, with the only guideline being merely to relinquish the place. Any other judgement is based on opinion, which, like Isaid, is dodgy grounds for a penalty. In addition, the fact that Raikkonen didn't finish the race makes a result changing penalty look like over kill and certainly suggests over zealousness from the stewards. |
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| AndyW76 | Sep 9 2008, 11:17 AM Post #237 |
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I'm not sure that he is really getting the point of the people who are aggrieved about this. My personal feeling is that, previously, to aviod a penalty for overtaking off course, merely letting the driver back past you was enough. That has been a well established guideline for many years and that was the basis for Lewis's actions. Now, the stewards on sunday have decided to change all that and have imposed a penalty despite previous pressidents. The fact that many well respected motorsports personalities, including several racing legends (notably Nikki Lauda) have lambasted this decision. This isn't purely down to PR, these are people who know what they are talking about. Unless Nikki Lauda can be accused of being a Lewis bum boy (highly unlikely). |
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| AndyW76 | Sep 9 2008, 11:21 AM Post #238 |
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Just what I've been saying all along. http://www.sportinglife.com/formula1/news/...ual_092936.html
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Sep 9 2008, 11:32 AM Post #239 |
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Watch this quickly before it gets taken down. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_ww...iltonkimi_sport 0.56 Hamilton storms into the corner, half a car length BEHIND Kimi 0.57 realises that he won't make it, cuts the chicane, 1.00 does NOT lift off to let Kimi past, he's accelerating through the gears 1.06 gets behind Kimi long enough for a tow 1.07 immediately storms past him again into the next corner. Ballsy stuff and technically, he did give the place back, but he did it only long enough for a tow into the next corner Incidentally, you can see that Kimi's spin later (3.10) is due to a back marker on the racing line. |
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| dcoulthard19 | Sep 9 2008, 11:39 AM Post #240 |
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That quote from sportinglife is exactly how I see it as well. Hamilton wouldn't have got past in the dry due to the turbulent air therefore we wouldn't be having this conversation now. It was wet and there was a huge gulf in the handling of the Ferrari and the Mclaren and that's why Hamilton was able to gain what he had given back to Kimi so quickly. In my view the stewards were too hasty in making their decision. When they were deciding MS's penalty in Monaco in 2006 they took far more time and got the decision right. F1 should hire full time stewards in order to have more consistency. |
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