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| Kubica tips Ferrari's Massa for F1 title | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 5 2008, 07:46 AM (598 Views) | |
| Steelstallions | Sep 5 2008, 07:46 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/feedarticle/7774514
Whats that about then? Though the first few words in the first sentence might be a clue
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| Red Andy | Sep 5 2008, 07:48 AM Post #2 |
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It's not as if Kubica's backing an outsider or anything. Had he said, "Raikkonen will win the title," it might have been a bit more surprising. But Massa is the lead driver in what is (probably) the best car, so really he's the safest bet for the title. I hope he wins it, if only so that my pre-season prediction can be right for possibly the first time ever. |
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| Rob | Sep 5 2008, 03:29 PM Post #3 |
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It's a bit of a surprise given that Kubica and Lewis are pretty good friends. Hope he is right. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Sep 5 2008, 03:48 PM Post #4 |
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Me too mate Maybe Kubica can see himself at Ferrari in 2010. He has proved himself this year To be honest Kubica and Massa would prob work better than Alonso and Massa and i am a fan of Alonso
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Sep 5 2008, 04:01 PM Post #5 |
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http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4102018,00.html
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| Rob | Sep 5 2008, 04:08 PM Post #6 |
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It's a logical conclusion for Massa to reach, but if I were in his shoes I wouldn't be making public statements about it yet. Perhaps Massa needs a class in when not to say stuff.
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| RJHSaints | Sep 5 2008, 06:36 PM Post #7 |
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Without Massa giving way to Kimi last year Kimi would not have won the title. I do not think he intended to detract from Raikkonen's achievement and it is a valid point. |
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| Rob | Sep 5 2008, 07:03 PM Post #8 |
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I was referring to Massa pretty much saying 'yeah, we will have team orders.' |
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| RJHSaints | Sep 5 2008, 08:01 PM Post #9 |
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Well to be brutally honest, other teams do not hide it very well - Hockenheim this year anyone? |
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| Red Andy | Sep 5 2008, 10:06 PM Post #10 |
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No one hides it at all well, and that's why the rule is a joke. In 2005 and 2006 whenever Fisichella was in front of Alonso, the Renault team would broadcast over the radio, live (not delayed as is usual for "team radio" transmissions that are broadcast on TV), an engineer telling Fisi that "Fernando is behind you, and he's faster," at which point Alonso would miraculously pull off an overtaking move that Fisi was for some reason powerless to defend against. ![]() Then there have been the other documented cases - Ferrari's infamous "pit lane shuffle" observed at Indianapolis in 2006 and Interlagos last season (and probably other times as well), Kubica's spectacular pass on Heidfeld in Canada this year, and Hamilton conveniently overtaking Kovalainen in Germany with ease. Yet, despite the regulations clearly prohibiting "team orders which interfere with the race result," the FIA have not investigated any of these incidents. The only such occurrence they have even bothered to look into was McLaren's order to Hamilton not to pass Alonso at Monaco in 2007, and even that was dismissed eventually. What all this goes to show is that team orders are legal, really, in practice if not in principle. |
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| Rob | Sep 6 2008, 01:50 AM Post #11 |
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Totally agree Andy.
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| Rams | Sep 6 2008, 08:18 AM Post #12 |
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All those orders have been common sense though. If 1 guy is a lot faster than the other due to a lighter fuel load or is fighting for the championship then it's just sensible. The FIA turn a blind eye and quite rightly in my opinion. Only when an order is totally unnessecary, like Austria 2002 should it be investigated. |
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| Red Andy | Sep 6 2008, 08:50 AM Post #13 |
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Nonetheless, it is illegal according to the rules. Furthermore, if the guy behind is "a lot faster," surely they should be able to get past without having the person in front pull over?
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| everythingoes | Sep 6 2008, 08:53 AM Post #14 |
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But it wasn't illegal at the time, hence no investigation warranted.
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| Steelstallions | Sep 6 2008, 10:21 AM Post #15 |
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If Barrichello had carried out the team order as he should have done during the race, instead of spitting his dummy out on the last bit of tarmac, we wouldn't remember Austria 2002 at all. I have said it before and say it again, Barrichello should have been sacked on the spot. He did more harm to Ferrari in that selfish and attention seeking move than every rant Irvine ever did as a Ferrari driver and ex-Ferrari driver. Before anyone gets on their high horse, imagine all the other team orders by other teams being carried out by their driver on the last few metres of tarmac like he did. That's the only difference between that team order and all the other ones any team on the grid has carried out. The team order was not illegal, the drivers attention seeking way of carrying it out, is what changed the regulations He alone decided to leave it until the last minute, unlike every other team before and after who's driver swapped places during the race. |
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