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Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen hit back at critics
Topic Started: Aug 27 2008, 07:45 PM (954 Views)
Alien_SAP_Fiend
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Surely it's Kimi's mechanic who needs a wooden foot?

And I recall Lewis doing something quite similar last year, although not quite as bad.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Aug 29 2008
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Surely it's Kimi's mechanic who needs a wooden foot?

And I recall Lewis doing something quite similar last year, although not quite as bad.

Lewis slipped up in the pits at silverstone in 2007, though I don't recall him mowing down his pit crew.
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So kimi doesn't just hit photographers
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http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4065046,00.html

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"Right now you could say that the title is between Hamilton and me but Raikkonen only needs two or three good races to get back in the battle."
Sensible chap.
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Hmmm

My opinion is this:

Let's see who's top of the pile at the last race. That's all that matters. Leading at this stage of the season is meaningless. All 3 (4 Including Kubica, although I don't think BMW have the pace to do it yet) are within 13 points of each other. 1 DNF from Massa and/or Hamilton coupled with a result that goes Kimi's way for a change means that he is right back in it.

To be honest I think Kimi has struggled with the car all season. In a recent press release Ferrari have confirmed my long-held suspicion that the handling of the car does not suit Kimi's driving style. With that in mind it is incredible that he is only 13pts adrift! If he gets that car anywhere near his liking then bonth Hamilton and Massa will be very nervously looking over their shoulders.

I also think that Kimi fears nobody and is untroubled by Massa's current form. I think what bothers him most is that he can't get the car to his liking and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that it is affecting his confidence on track. Massa is a massively improved driver but he doesn't have the pure raw pace and ability Kimi does - anybody that saw the 2005 season knows full well what Kimi can do.

I do wonder what is going on at Ferrari when they design a car that is so clearly unsiuted to the driver they hired to replace MS. One wonders if a 'German legacy' still hangs around the design room and has influence over certain decisions...
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Stoppemfloppen,Aug 31 2008
07:30 PM
To be honest I think Kimi has struggled with the car all season. In a recent press release Ferrari have confirmed my long-held suspicion that the handling of the car does not suit Kimi's driving style. With that in mind it is incredible that he is only 13pts adrift! If he gets that car anywhere near his liking then bonth Hamilton and Massa will be very nervously looking over their shoulders.


Why over their sholder, I figured they'd be looking at that red spec off in the distance in front.


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I do wonder what is going on at Ferrari when they design a car that is so clearly unsiuted to the driver they hired to replace MS. One wonders if a 'German legacy' still hangs around the design room and has influence over certain decisions...


I seriously doubt that. Shumi's legacy is secure no matter what Kimi does. For the near future at least Ferrari will still be the team Shumi/Todt built. Shumi's still a team guy, he wants Ferrari to be successful. I think you could put JPM or JN in the Ferrari and Shumi would still be working to help them win.
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Stoppemfloppen,Sep 1 2008
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To be honest I think Kimi has struggled with the car all season. In a recent press release Ferrari have confirmed my long-held suspicion that the handling of the car does not suit Kimi's driving style. With that in mind it is incredible that he is only 13pts adrift! If he gets that car anywhere near his liking then bonth Hamilton and Massa will be very nervously looking over their shoulders.

I also think that Kimi fears nobody and is untroubled by Massa's current form. I think what bothers him most is that he can't get the car to his liking and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that it is affecting his confidence on track. Massa is a massively improved driver but he doesn't have the pure raw pace and ability Kimi does - anybody that saw the 2005 season knows full well what Kimi can do.

I do wonder what is going on at Ferrari when they design a car that is so clearly unsiuted to the driver they hired to replace MS. One wonders if a 'German legacy' still hangs around the design room and has influence over certain decisions...

I don't agree that Kimi's problems are limited only to the handling of this year's Ferrari, nor that these issues are caused by the team being used to designing cars for Michael Schumacher. Kimi and MS both share a driving style that favours a car with a touch of oversteer, and in any case, wouldn't you expect the '07 Ferrari to be closer to Schumi's preferred style than the '08? Kimi had no problems with an allegedly "Schumacher-based" car in 2007.

The theory that Kimi's poor form of late is down to motivation, and not just the car, is supported by the decline in his performance levels from the start of the season. At the beginning of 2008 he was performing better than Massa - so much so that, in attempting to keep up with Kimi, Massa was pressured into a race-ending mistake in Malaysia. But as the season has progressed and Felipe has improved, Kimi's form has dropped off. It is possible that new developments of Ferrari's car have helped Massa and hindered Kimi's driving style, but I would personally doubt that any mid-season changes would be able to significantly affect such fundamentals as balance and handling.

The problem Kimi has is that, on a hot, dry day with a decent setup, Massa can outperform practically anybody - including Kimi. If he wants to get back into the title race, he will have to wait for some adverse conditions where Felipe does not cope quite so well. But with time rapidly running out and Ferrari just about mulling over which horse they should back for the rest of the season, it may be all over for Raikkonen.

You mention 2005, which is interesting - what I recall from that season was that Kimi was blindingly quick most of the time, but made a couple of critical errors that cost him the title. Apart from the "blindlingly quick" bit, we may see the same story this year.
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Red Andy,Sep 1 2008
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You mention 2005, which is interesting - what I recall from that season was that Kimi was blindingly quick most of the time, but made a couple of critical errors that cost him the title. Apart from the "blindlingly quick" bit, we may see the same story this year.

You need to watch the season again then, even Ron Dennis admitted that only poor reliability cost Raikkonen that title and in 2003. It was in the 2005 season that Ferrari decided Kimi would replace Schumacher.
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2005 San Marino GP: Raikkonen makes too many practice starts at the beginning of the race and busts his driveshaft - 12 points (relative to Alonso) lost.

2005 European GP: Raikkonen flat-spots his tyre and suffers a last-lap blowout - 12 points (relative to Alonso) lost. That's 24 points lost through two driver errors.

Kimi loses the 2005 world championship by 21 points. In other words, even with all the unreliability he had in '05, Kimi would still have won the title if he hadn't made those two mistakes.
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Red Andy,Sep 1 2008
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2005 San Marino GP: Raikkonen makes too many practice starts at the beginning of the race and busts his driveshaft - 12 points (relative to Alonso) lost.

2005 European GP: Raikkonen flat-spots his tyre and suffers a last-lap blowout - 12 points (relative to Alonso) lost. That's 24 points lost through two driver errors.

At the San Marino GP he made the same number of practice starts as he always did - McLaren failure (Ron Dennis admitted this). European GP was his only mistake of the season.

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Kimi loses the 2005 world championship by 21 points. In other words, even with all the unreliability he had in '05, Kimi would still have won the title if he hadn't made those two mistakes.

So he could have scored 21 points in those 2 races?

Malaysia - faulty tyre valve drops him from 3rd to 9th
San Marino - drive shaft failure
French GP - engine blow up costing him 10 places at one of the hardest tracks to overtake
British GP - engine blow up grid penalty
Germany GP - Hydraulics failure
Italian GP - engine blow up grid penalty, then tyre delamination

That cost him a lot more than 21 points. Suggesting that his one mistake of the season cost him the title is utter BS tbh.
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Steelstallions,Sep 1 2008
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Just thought it was an interesting picture to share

Its even more interesting if you look at the car in the background. The picture was taken much before the move from McLaren was confirmed.
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Steelstallions,Sep 1 2008
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Just thought it was an interesting picture to share

Is that David Beckham?
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Steelstallions,Sep 1 2008
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Just thought it was an interesting picture to share

I want a garage like that....
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everythingoes,Sep 1 2008
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Its even more interesting if you look at the car in the background. The picture was taken much before the move from McLaren was confirmed.

No conspiracy... racing drivers like fast cars... and well paid racing rivers like exclusive top end motors...

I've seen photos of Michael Schumacher's McLaren road car...
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