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How good is Vettel?
Topic Started: Aug 26 2008, 07:27 PM (782 Views)
TheCompleteGuitarist
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John,Aug 27 2008
01:08 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Aug 27 2008
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John,Aug 26 2008
09:53 PM
he is not bragging or talking himself up.

I think he is, as much as any other driver. To say he is full of humility is way off the mark. If he isn't hyping himself up then he'll earn nothing in F1.

Please, please TCG... provide me with a link to any article in any website where Vettle[sic] is quoted as saying he will be the greatest... or expects to win the WDC title anytime soon...

I am not saying he hasn't.... I'm saying I've not read any such articles... but I don't confess to have read them all...

You however seem to recall one or two such articles... so I'd be interested in reading them <thumbsup>

I didn't suggest that he'd said he was the greatest or that he expects to win the WDC.

Have any drivers ever said that?

I am not saying they haven't.... I'm saying I've not read any such articles... but I don't confess to have read them all...

If hyping themselves up means saying such a thing then I don't think any drivers have every hyped themselves up.

I do know some drivers who have suggested that they might do well on a certain weekend without any arrogance only to be scythed down by the forum contributing public.

You also make it sound like I'm criticising Vettel. He's not a monk you know.

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So that's a long winded NO then... many thanks for clearing that up... <thumbsup>
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He's good, could be great, but he still has a long way to go. He's better than his teammate, and probably in the top 10 in F1, but not the top 5.
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OK a bit of reflection is called for...

Yes most (not all) agree at his young age and his relative inexperience he has managed to do enough to get himself noticed and is being talked about by other teams... usually as sign you are on your way up... not down.

No one can say for definite that Yes he will succeed or No he will fade away...

We all can express an opinion on just how good he is... some have seen enough to believe he has what it takes, others need more time to be convinced.... some I dare say have seen enough to believe he will never be more than another wannabe..

I (for my sins) believe he has potential'... clearly I am not alone in this view, which is gratifying to know.

but by the same token the jury is still out on this one.... maybe a simple poll would have been better.. Do you think...

1. Vettel will definitely be a WDC...
2. Vettel will potentially be a WDC with many wins...
3. Vettel will win a few GP and no more...
4. Vettel will always be hovering around podium finishes but no wins...
5. Vettel will simply fade away.

I'd vote option 2

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Well John, I never said that Vettel wasn't likely to be WDC, only that it would be foolish to suggest that he has less belief in himself than any other F1 driver.

As for will he be succesful, I don't know, but I am more inclined to believe that he is more likely to be the next MS rather than LH who looks set to have a more Sennaesque career, hopefully minus the tragic end.
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John,Aug 27 2008
10:56 AM
OK a bit of reflection is called for...

Yes most (not all) agree at his young age and his relative inexperience he has managed to do enough to get himself noticed and is being talked about by other teams... usually as sign you are on your way up... not down.

No one can say for definite that Yes he will succeed or No he will fade away...

We all can express an opinion on just how good he is... some have seen enough to believe he has what it takes, others need more time to be convinced.... some I dare say have seen enough to believe he will never be more than another wannabe..

I (for my sins) believe he has potential'... clearly I am not alone in this view, which is gratifying to know.

but by the same token the jury is still out on this one.... maybe a simple poll would have been better.. Do you think...

1. Vettel will definitely be a WDC...
2. Vettel will potentially be a WDC with many wins...
3. Vettel will win a few GP and no more...
4. Vettel will always be hovering around podium finishes but no wins...
5. Vettel will simply fade away.

I'd vote option 2

I'd vote for number 2 as well, but the biggest unknown probably won't be Vettel's ability to produce the wins (which I think he would) but being in the right car.
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Bear,Aug 27 2008
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All the drivers this year have had good and bad races - Vettel is no different to Hamilton or Kimi or Massa or Kovi, etc. In fact, he has performed better than them.

This view really gets my goose. Obviously I am biased but I do not know how you can say Vettel has done better than Massa, Hamilton, or even Raikkonen. Massa, for example, has had to prove himself against a team-mate of known quality. Vettel, well, I don't want to be hard on Bourdais but the best you can say about French Seb is that he's an unknown quantity. Also Vettel has eally only been beating him since the Monaco GP, and he profited from a good car/scenario to take his points in Valencia and Canada. He's been good alright but we all thought Kovalainen was going to beat Hamilton (or I did anyway) after what he did at Renault, and look where that got me. Looking like a mug, that's where. <roflmao>

So what if the title contenders have made a few mistakes - Vettel crashed out of the first four races, for crying out loud!

As for John I would go for number 2 on your poll....he is young enough to potentially win a championship, but will probably need to improve a lot to do so.
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RJHSaints,Aug 27 2008
02:36 PM

As for John I would go for number 2 on your poll....he is young enough to potentially win a championship, but will probably need to improve a lot to do so.

He is only 20, so he has time.
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RJHSaints,Aug 27 2008
08:36 PM
So what if the title contenders have made a few mistakes - Vettel crashed out of the first four races, for crying out loud!

In at least two of those accidents Vettel was a passenger, though. Australia was Button's fault and Spain was Sutil's fault. Not sure about the other two, I don't think the incidents were picked up on the TV cameras.
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I vote 2.

Lets look at the rookies currently in F1, Vettel, Bourdais, Piquet, Glock, Nakajima. Of those lot I'd say both Vettel and Glock are stars of the future.

The great danger for Vettel is that as Honda/Toyota make strides forward Red Bull will begin to fade away. He could end up forgotten like poor Rosberg at Williams.
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I think Vettel has huge potential given the correct guidance. He will certainly be hot property in a couple of years. What happens is down to if he chooses to chase money or go for a competitive team (though some teams can provide both). I hope that he gets a good drive in the future so he can fullfil his true potential. He may well win the WDC or at least be able to compete for it.
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Pity he's going to Red Bull, rather than replacing Heidfeld at BMW!
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Aug 28 2008
11:38 AM
Pity he's going to Red Bull, rather than replacing Heidfeld at BMW!

Agreed... and with Kubica only committed to 2009... BMW need to be looking beyond 2009 and get some good drives on long contracts.
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Craze_b0i,Aug 28 2008
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I vote 2.

Lets look at the rookies currently in F1, Vettel, Bourdais, Piquet, Glock, Nakajima. Of those lot I'd say both Vettel and Glock are stars of the future.

The great danger for Vettel is that as Honda/Toyota make strides forward Red Bull will begin to fade away. He could end up forgotten like poor Rosberg at Williams.

Interesting that you mention Rosberg. Rosberg is like Kovalainen in that we were all going nuts for him last year, although not in my case because I felt he was being flattered by Wurz being a dead duck of a team mate at that stage of his career. Now Nakajima is showing me to be right because Rosberg has only really been slightly better than him.

I feel the same about Vettel, I'm not saying he's not a potential great but I do feel Webber will provide the litmus test of his ability and we should keep a lid on it until we see how he gets no there.
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Rosberg has been poor this year. If Frank hadn't had him tied down, he could be in a McLaren this season, but this year I don't think a top team would look at him.
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