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How good is Vettel?
Topic Started: Aug 26 2008, 07:27 PM (781 Views)
RJHSaints
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As I mentioned in the Valencia DoD thread some people consider him to be the best driver in F1 at the moment. Do you agree with this or are we just giving him undue hype?

Personally I think it is well off the mark. Vettel has undoubtedly been impressive at times particularly in the second half of this season, but I certainly think the current perception of him is far too high. As I have mentioned before Liuzzi often had the better of him last year and in the early part of the season Bourdais was very nip-and-tuck with him. It is only since the new car has been brought in at Monaco that Vettel has really shone.

I think next year when he faces Webber will be interesting. I expect Webber to get the better of him early on, especially in qualifying, so it will be a test of character for young Sebastian with real expectation on his shoulders.

I do consider Vettel a talented driver, but still feel some overestimate his talent.
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I also think he's overrated. Time will tell whether or not he's the deal.
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Vettel has had a few standout drives since arriving in F1, and has shown Bourdais the way this season. But his debut for BMW was pretty poor (he scraped a point after some late retirements, in a car that was easily capable of finishing high in the points), and it took him a while to get on the pace of Liuzzi at STR. Then he had those great drives in Japan and China....

Clearly he has talent, but how much remains to be seen. The comments that he is the best driver currently in F1, let alone the next Michael Schumacher, are premature to say the least.
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Considering the car/team Vettel has to get the job done with and the car/team Lewi$ has, I think he shows more promise...

the guy is 20 years old and making a good name for himself... he is not bragging or talking himself up.

If others want to talk him up then fair enough... although why it should matter to anyone unless they of course they actually see Vettel as a threat to their own favorite.
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I don't think he is a world beater at the moment (given his age and experience) .... but I think he'll go on to win the WDC in the future as I think he has the latent talent that will mature and grow with time.
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The fact he’s German and was a BMW baby means people will hype him up

He’s done ok and that’s about that

Look at all the drivers that have been tipped to win WDC’s and have failed

He may not have the same machinery as Hamilton John but have you thought there might be a reason for that?

A little word called talent
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Schumi and Berger, among others, have been genuinely impressed with Vettel and are not (IMO) hyping him up for no reason at all. All the drivers this year have had good and bad races - Vettel is no different to Hamilton or Kimi or Massa or Kovi, etc. In fact, he has performed better than them in getting a back of the field car well up amongst the mid field teams.

Only time will tell who is right. He's not the best driver this year but I think he has a great deal of potential.
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Interestingly, I read somewhere several years ago an interview with the guy who runs the kart circuit where young Michael Schumacher first tried his hand at racing. He said that the only person who had ever displayed the same potential as Schumacher was an unknown lad called Sebastian Vettel, and we should all look out for him in the future....

It's true that Vettel is highly rated among his fellow drivers, but as Stradlin points out there are many, many drivers who have been tipped to win the world championship, yet never made it. It's safe to say that I haven't personally noticed anything that sets Vettel apart from the Buttons and Heidfelds of this world yet, but he is young and has plenty of time to start reaching his obvious potential.
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The fact he’s German and was a BMW baby means people will hype him up

He’s done OK and that’s about that

Look at all the drivers that have been tipped to win WDC’s and have failed

He may not have the same machinery as Hamilton John but have you thought there might be a reason for that?

A little word called talent

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Being German does not automatically mean a driver gets hyped... that perogative is and has always been the reserve of British drivers... although finally with Lewis the hype might be justified <thumbsup>

Vettel was actually a Red Bull 'baby' who happened to raced in a BMW formula but was not backed by BMW (in the same way that Lewis was with McLaren) Vettel was only ever loaned to BMW as a 3rd driver and had just one race standing in for the injured Kubica... at the first glimpse of his talent (yes Matt... he has some of that as well) Vettel was snatched back from BMW and as we now know will take a full 'Red Bull' race seat from next season...

Indeed many drivers are tipped to be WDC's... and yes most fail... however it is usually only after several years that we know they will never achieve this... however this youngster is in only his first full season and is only 20 so has potentially 16+ years to prove his worth... so most reasoned people adopt a wait and see attitude rather that write him off before he has had a chance.

Finally I never said Lewis has no talent... anyone can see he is a bit special... the point of my comparison was to say that the results this season based on the machinery used Vettel is doing quite well... <clap>
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At the moment, Vettel lacks experience and a top car, but I think he clearly has a lot of talent and potential. Given time and the right car, he stands a very good chance IMO of being a WDC.

If he stays focussed and committed, then I think in terms of potential he'll be up there with Alonso at the top of the current crop of drivers in 2 or 3 years - ahead of Kimi, Massa, Lewis, Kubica, et al.
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He's good enough to win races... maybe a WDC in the right car
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stradlin23,Aug 27 2008
08:10 AM


He may not have the same machinery as Hamilton John but have you thought there might be a reason for that?

A little word called talent

tad unfair, you could go the other way and say 'lots of money behind him all the way through his junior career'
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u4coffee,Aug 27 2008
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He's good enough to win races... maybe a WDC in the right car

Well, anyone can win races in the right car. A WDC is obviously a different matter. With the cars being so very close at present, it is very hard to tell if a particular driver is really that much better than anyone else. I think he's definitely got potential, but we will have to wait and see if this can be turned into results. Let's not forget that the STR is now outperforming the Red Bull, which is one reason why Vettel is higher up the timesheets at present.
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John,Aug 26 2008
09:53 PM
he is not bragging or talking himself up.

I think he is, as much as any other driver. To say he is full of humility is way off the mark. If he isn't hyping himself up then he'll earn nothing in F1.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Aug 27 2008
12:39 PM
John,Aug 26 2008
09:53 PM
he is not bragging or talking himself up.

I think he is, as much as any other driver. To say he is full of humility is way off the mark. If he isn't hyping himself up then he'll earn nothing in F1.

Please, please TCG... provide me with a link to any article in any website where Vettle is quoted as saying he will be the greatest... or expects to win the WDC title anytime soon...

I am not saying he hasn't.... I'm saying I've not read any such articles... but I don't confess to have read them all...

You however seem to recall one or two such articles... so I'd be interested in reading them <thumbsup>
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