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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 24 2008, 02:09 PM (2,093 Views) | |
| stradlin24 | Aug 26 2008, 11:21 AM Post #76 |
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The first part of the that…. It’s ok to break to rules if you are in a close fight for the championship?! I’d expect you all to have the same view if Hamilton does anything like this…. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Aug 26 2008, 11:24 AM Post #77 |
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The rules are part of the natural course of the championship. Break them, you should get punished as a natural course for breaking the rules in an attempt to gain something unfairly. |
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| stradlin24 | Aug 26 2008, 11:25 AM Post #78 |
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It doesn’t matter how much evidence you put before them, the Ferrari appreciation society will just dismiss it Wonder when was the last time any of them visited Fiorano?!
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Aug 26 2008, 11:42 AM Post #79 |
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When the team released Massa, Sutil was within a car length away more or less, I'd say regardless of wether Massa was leading or not that was simply dangerous and to expect Sutil to suddenly slow down and concede the track to Massa is absurd. This isn't an anti Ferrari perspective, it's simply common sense. What I did think even more ridiculous was what happened at Kimi's stop. Albers lost his drive over such an incident (clearly in that instance it was his fault) but what was strange was there was no guy with a lollipop holding Kimi, what's all that about? And as my wife pointed out, not one person went to the immediate aid of the guy who got floored. |
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| rickyclean | Aug 26 2008, 11:43 AM Post #80 |
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Just add my 2 pennies, the team should have been, but not Massa as he is not responsible for being released from the pit lane. |
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| stradlin24 | Aug 26 2008, 11:51 AM Post #81 |
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But then you open another can of worms completely If your saying that the team should have been punished and NOT the driver then what happens when team orders come in The Ferrari argument for YEARS has been that it’s a TEAM sport and therefore team orders should be ok So, if they are saying that then they should expect to be punished as a TEAM, that’s the whole team including the driver It seems to be that Ferrari, their ‘fans’, the stewards and the FIA just make up rules as they go along |
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| stradlin24 | Aug 26 2008, 11:54 AM Post #82 |
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Yep, noticed by me as well Clearly they value their fellow employee’s very highly On the replay it looked like the guy almost got his neck broken by the hose but they weren’t bothered! Great human beings them Ferrari folk! Maybe they didn’t have a good view of it because Scumacher was sitting on the pit wall at the time and as he turned round to look his chin obscured their view |
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| Rams | Aug 26 2008, 11:56 AM Post #83 |
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Yes, it is. It is managed by FOM and ran by the FIA, just like F1. Even the FIA have admitted that is was an unsafe release from the pit-stop, so I'm not sure why some people are still arguing against that. Blaming Sutil is stupid, what on earth did Massa expect him to do, drive up the pit wall?
So if a driver's having a good race, they shouldn't be punished? Rules are rules, Ferrari should have been punished. |
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| Red Andy | Aug 26 2008, 11:57 AM Post #84 |
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That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that if a driver is in the fight for the championship and breaks the rules, the FIA perhaps feel it appropriate to administer a punishment that does not affect what happens on track - for example, a fine. Unfair on drivers lower down in the championship table, undoubtedly, but it does reduce the risk of being accused of fixing the championship, and allows the drivers to fight it out on the track - and after all, isn't that what we all want to see? |
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| Red Andy | Aug 26 2008, 11:57 AM Post #85 |
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They were. |
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| John | Aug 26 2008, 11:58 AM Post #86 |
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Of course that is not true... but for argument sake let's suspend reality and say it was true... the fact it winds up the anti-Ferrari 'mob' is just the icing on the cake....
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| Lord Tau | Aug 26 2008, 11:59 AM Post #87 |
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That's like saying in the Premiership if Man Utd and Chelsea were close for the title race and then a Man Utd player kicks somebody in the balls during a game and doesn't get sent off, because it might affect the title race. |
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| Red Andy | Aug 26 2008, 12:00 PM Post #88 |
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In the Premiership, the punishment for violent conduct is clearly laid out in the rules - a red card. In Formula One, there is no set punishment for breaking a rule like Article 23.1 - the stewards can hand out whatever punishment they feel is appropriate. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Aug 26 2008, 12:01 PM Post #89 |
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Sorry but......yes they were punished, how they must feeling the sting, I bet that fine really hurt.
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| Red Andy | Aug 26 2008, 12:02 PM Post #90 |
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As it hurt Hamilton for using two sets of wet tyres in Brazil .... |
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