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2008 Fastest Race Laps; Interesting...
Topic Started: Aug 19 2008, 11:17 AM (941 Views)
Red Andy
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pedal power,Aug 21 2008
11:53 AM
For all the talk of Kimi losing it this season, off his pace, doesn’t seem committed blah blah blah just remember one thing, for all these short comings he is still second in the championship and behind Lewis by 5 points.

Taking into account the above, it’s says more about his rivals than him.

This is very true. All the leading drivers have made mistakes and had bad luck in roughly equal measure this season. A lot of it is down to the old adage that "You're only as good as your last race," and Kimi's last two in particular have been poor.
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They've all had their ups and downs.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one...8/08/new-r.html

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Rams,Aug 20 2008
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RJHSaints,Aug 20 2008
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To make a direct comparison - Kovalainen has two more fastest laps than Hamilton. Does that make him the quicker McLaren driver?

But if you look at which McLaren driver has set the faster race lap, it's 7-4 to Hamilton which I'd say actually reflects their race pace. In the Ferrari case, Kimi totally dominates that statistic.

I agree it's not just about who sets the fastest lap, with the current regulations it's more about who makes the least mistakes and Kimi is making a lot of them at the minute.

But in clear air, on race day, he is still the faster race driver overall.

I understand that, but pace in clear air still means nothing if you do not produce it consistently over a race distance.

Nearly all the fastest laps this year have been set by the guy that has not won the race. Sometimes that is (arguably) because the guy who sets the fastest lap has been stuck behind slower cars, like Raikkonen in Hungary and Hockenheim, but at other times they have simply failed to consistently deliver, like Raikkonen at Monaco and Silverstone, and Heidfeld/Kovalainen at virtually all the tracks they have set fastest lap on.

Pace in the race is also meaningless if you cannot do it on Saturday and on a Sunday it takes you at least 20 laps to get into a groove. The others by then will be long gone and no amount of stunning laps will get you back in the hunt unless they make a mistake.
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Senna achieved 19 fastest race laps in his career... Berger managed 21...

They are only another statistic to play with but ultimately prove little...
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John,Aug 21 2008
04:23 PM
Senna achieved 19 fastest race laps in his career... Berger managed 21...

They are only another statistic to play with but ultimately prove little...

Pole positions on the other hand......

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John,Aug 21 2008
10:23 AM
Senna achieved 19

That's rather surprising.

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They are only another statistic to play with but ultimately prove little...


Totally agree. <thumbsup>



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Pole positions on the other hand......


Still mean less than wins.
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John,Aug 21 2008
03:23 PM
Senna achieved 19 fastest race laps in his career... Berger managed 21...

They are only another statistic to play with but ultimately prove little...

True, the statistics that really count is the one that everyone remembers.
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AndyW76,Aug 22 2008
01:31 PM
True, the statistics that really count is the one that everyone remembers.

Like 91 wins, 68 poles and 76 fastest laps? Or 154 podiums including 19 in a row and one entire season never failing to make the top three?
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Norbert,Aug 22 2008
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AndyW76,Aug 22 2008
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True, the statistics that really count is the one that everyone remembers.

Like 91 wins, 68 poles and 76 fastest laps? Or 154 podiums including 19 in a row and one entire season never failing to make the top three?

Well, true. I was thinking more about No. wins and WDCs.

Anyway, considering Senna and Berger, every serious F1 fan knows that Senna was a tripple WDC and Berger only won a hand full of races. Basically, a fastest lap counts for nothing bearing in mind that consitency is more important in motorsport than a single lap of a race.
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Well, pole once counted for an extra point. And I'm sure I once heard that fastest lap did as well, although I have a feeling that may have been wrong.....?
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AndyW76,Aug 22 2008
08:24 AM
Norbert,Aug 22 2008
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AndyW76,Aug 22 2008
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True, the statistics that really count is the one that everyone remembers.

Like 91 wins, 68 poles and 76 fastest laps? Or 154 podiums including 19 in a row and one entire season never failing to make the top three?

Well, true. I was thinking more about No. wins and WDCs.


Didn't some German guy win a lot of both?
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pedal power
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i wonder who you mean

lets have a look at german f1 drivers

Hienz Harold Frentzen - No
Nick Heidfeld - No
Ralf Schumacher - <roflmao> err i mean No
Sebastian Vettel - No

seems like there someone missing <think>



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John
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you forgot Glock & Rosberg... <thumbsup>
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i wasn't 100% about Rosberg.

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Norbert,Aug 22 2008
02:33 PM
Well, pole once counted for an extra point. And I'm sure I once heard that fastest lap did as well, although I have a feeling that may have been wrong.....?

In the 1950s the scoring was 8-6-4-3-2 for the top five, plus one point for fastest lap (in 1960 the final point was added for sixth place and the one for fastest lap removed, then in 1961 an extra point was added for winning to make it 9 points for first place). Points have never been awarded for pole position.
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