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2008 Fastest Race Laps; Interesting...
Topic Started: Aug 19 2008, 11:17 AM (943 Views)
Rob
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Rams,Aug 19 2008
02:36 PM
Canada GP - Lap 14

To be fair though Kimi didn't have much of a chance to set a fast lap after his pitstop. <whistle> <sarcasm> <sarcasm> <sarcasm>























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Rams,Aug 19 2008
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RJHSaints,Aug 19 2008
07:51 PM
'In a class of his own'?

The only reason Raikkonen is so much faster than others (in terms of fastest laps) is because he is pushing to show off his speed in the late part of the race where the track is in optimum condition, having cocked up the early part due to qualifying and a bad start, while everyone else is basically settled for their position and trying to bring the car home.

Hardly, the data shows that the majority of his fastest laps came earlier on in the race:

Spanish GP - Lap 46
Turkish GP - Lap 20
Monaco GP - Lap 74
Canada GP - Lap 14
French GP - Lap 16
British GP - Lap 18
Hungarian GP - Lap 61

The Monaco GP can be explained because the track was drying out. Only the Hungarian fastest lap came close to being at the end of a race.

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Excellent rebuff.
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Rob,Aug 19 2008
09:20 PM
To be fair though Kimi didn't have much of a chance to set a fast lap after his pitstop. <whistle>

<roflmao> <roflmao> <roflmao> <roflmao> <roflmao>
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RJHSaints,Aug 19 2008
06:51 PM
'In a class of his own'?

The only reason Raikkonen is so much faster than others (in terms of fastest laps) is because he is pushing to show off his speed in the late part of the race where the track is in optimum condition, having cocked up the early part due to qualifying and a bad start, while everyone else is basically settled for their position and trying to bring the car home.

Unless of course Kovalainen can claim to have been in a class of his own at the tracks where he set the fastest lap by a mile....maybe it's a Finnish thing? <think>

I agree. I think it is rather arrogant to anounce kimi as the best out there without considering Lewis, Massa and Alonso first. I mean, Alonso beat the great Michael Schumacher, something kimi has never done. Surely that makes Alonso the best. And Massa has shown Kimi the way more than once this year.
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Considering that prior to 2006 more or less everybody thought that Massa was little more than a journeyman (in '04 he'd been beaten by Fisichella, after all), and that two years later he has regularly been beating Kimi (and did so a number of times in '07, too), I think it is a little premature to pronounce Raikkonen as the driver of the year, let alone the best guy out there.

I have always said this about Raikkonen and will say it again - you can harp on about all the "bad luck" you like, but there comes a point when a driver has to stop pointing to being "unlucky" and has to take responsibility for his own actions. The only difference with Kimi is that he doesn't make his own excuses - his fans do it for him.
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Red Andy,Aug 20 2008
11:19 AM
The only difference with Kimi is that he doesn't make his own excuses - his fans do it for him.

How can kimi make an excuse when he hardly ever speaks. <roflmao>
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AndyW76,Aug 20 2008
11:07 AM
I mean, Alonso beat the great Michael Schumacher, something kimi has never done. Surely that makes Alonso the best. And Massa has shown Kimi the way more than once this year.

And Kimi beat Alonso, Massa and Lewis last year.

So what is your point?
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Aug 20 2008
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AndyW76,Aug 20 2008
11:07 AM
I mean, Alonso beat the great Michael Schumacher, something kimi has never done. Surely that makes Alonso the best. And Massa has shown Kimi the way more than once this year.

And Kimi beat Alonso, Massa and Lewis last year.

So what is your point?

If we are being pedantic, Alonso beat kimi in 2005 and Lewis beat Alonso last, so what is your point?

My example a demonstration on how results can be twisted. I wasn't actually announcing Alonso as the best. The fact is that, although Kimi is proven to be fast, there are guys out there who are as good as him and to believe that they are not is to have may be a little too much faith in Kimi and little respect for the opposition.
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You'll have to be a lot more pedantic than that.

My point was that your statement that Alonso beating Schumacher was meaningless, which is why I made an equally meaningless point.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Aug 20 2008
12:36 PM
You'll have to be a lot more pedantic than that.

My point was that your statement that Alonso beating Schumacher was meaningless, which is why I made an equally meaningless point.

My point about Alonso beating schumacher was in response to an earlier comment saying that Kimi was the beat because he was WDC.

Like I said, I wasn't announcing Alonso as the best because he beat schumacher, it was merely proof that You can't count drivers like Alonso, Massa and Lewis out when looking for the best in the field. I mean, who is to say, in a ferrari or mcLaren, Kucbica wouldn't blow most people away. Lewis actually rates Kubica very highly from their karting days.
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Alonso also rates Kubica very highly: at the end of 2006 he stated that Robert was the young driver he most feared as a potential future adversary. This was before Lewis came onto the scene, of course, but it does demonstrate that Kubica is very highly regarded among his fellow F1 drivers.
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Red Andy,Aug 20 2008
01:25 PM
Alonso also rates Kubica very highly: at the end of 2006 he stated that Robert was the young driver he most feared as a potential future adversary. This was before Lewis came onto the scene, of course, but it does demonstrate that Kubica is very highly regarded among his fellow F1 drivers.

I suspect that BMW will want to get their hooks into him longterm. Then again, they are looking like potential future WDC and WCC.
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AndyW76,Aug 20 2008
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Red Andy,Aug 20 2008
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Alonso also rates Kubica very highly: at the end of 2006 he stated that Robert was the young driver he most feared as a potential future adversary. This was before Lewis came onto the scene, of course, but it does demonstrate that Kubica is very highly regarded among his fellow F1 drivers.

I suspect that BMW will want to get their hooks into him longterm. Then again, they are looking like potential future WDC and WCC.

so were honda until 2 years ago :(
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Equally, though, if BMW are to become future champions, they will need a driver who is capable of winning regularly for them. There seem to be very few star names in F1 at the moment, and Kubica will be a very hot property if he continues his form with them into next year, the last of his contract. They will have to fight very hard to keep him, and that will doubtless include mounting a serious title challenge next season.
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GordonB,Aug 20 2008
02:50 PM
so were honda until 2 years ago :(

Not really. They had a strong 2004 and 2006, but 2005 wasn't great for them (they were, in fact, the last team to score any points that year). The best you could say about Honda pre-2007 is that they were very hit-and-miss, and with better consistency they could potentially become regular winners, but world titles still seemed a long way off. They have also never had a truly world-class driver, which BMW may have in Kubica.
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