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Ferrari Moan about Bridgestone
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Topic Started: Aug 14 2008, 06:03 AM (1,081 Views)
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dazzerjp
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Aug 15 2008, 01:58 AM
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The one tyre maker rule was introuded mainly to bring a halt to the Brigstone/Ferrari love-in.
For many of the MS/Ferrari years Bridgestone developed tyres for Ferrari first. They supplied many other teams at first, but most of those teams migrated to Michelins due to the fact that the weren't receiving the feedback from the Ferrari orientated Bridgestone.
So, it is a little ironical that Ferrari should voice their objection considering they enjoyed many years of effective single maker tyre supplier.
Also, Bridgestone have dropped their Ferrari TV ads here and replaced them with the Lewis one, where he's driving a Merc.
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AndyW76
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Aug 15 2008, 10:15 AM
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Bridgestone smell of wee.
Nah, I think that smell is one of the wacky chemicals they use in the tyre moulds.
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Aug 15 2008, 10:22 AM
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- dazzerjp,Aug 15 2008
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The one tyre maker rule was introuded mainly to bring a halt to the Brigstone/Ferrari love-in.
For many of the MS/Ferrari years Bridgestone developed tyres for Ferrari first. They supplied many other teams at first, but most of those teams migrated to Michelins due to the fact that the weren't receiving the feedback from the Ferrari orientated Bridgestone.
So, it is a little ironical that Ferrari should voice their objection considering they enjoyed many years of effective single maker tyre supplier.
Also, Bridgestone have dropped their Ferrari TV ads here and replaced them with the Lewis one, where he's driving a Merc.
The tyre rule change in 2005 was what did Ferrari and B/stone in. The single tyre supplier was to punish Michelin for Indygate (a problem created by the FIA rule as much as Michelin bringing the wrong compound).
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pedal power
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Aug 15 2008, 10:25 AM
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Bridgestone smell of wee.
Nah, I think that smell is one of the wacky chemicals they use in the tyre moulds.
are you saying that bridgestone use wackibacki to make their tyres.
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dazzerjp
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Aug 15 2008, 10:52 AM
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The one tyre maker rule was introuded mainly to bring a halt to the Brigstone/Ferrari love-in.
For many of the MS/Ferrari years Bridgestone developed tyres for Ferrari first. They supplied many other teams at first, but most of those teams migrated to Michelins due to the fact that the weren't receiving the feedback from the Ferrari orientated Bridgestone.
So, it is a little ironical that Ferrari should voice their objection considering they enjoyed many years of effective single maker tyre supplier.
Also, Bridgestone have dropped their Ferrari TV ads here and replaced them with the Lewis one, where he's driving a Merc.
The tyre rule change in 2005 was what did Ferrari and B/stone in. The single tyre supplier was to punish Michelin for Indygate (a problem created by the FIA rule as much as Michelin bringing the wrong compound).
There had been much talk prior to the Indy GP, as far back as 2004.
That and the fact that Michelin didnt wish to continue in f1 and didn submit for the single tyre supplier license.
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Brave_Lee_Flea
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Aug 15 2008, 06:21 PM
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- dazzerjp,Aug 15 2008
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That and the fact that Michelin didnt wish to continue in f1 and didn submit for the single tyre supplier license.
To be slightly more accurate; Michelin didn't want to continue in F1 *if there was to be a single tyre supplier* and so they didn't apply to be the sole supplier.
However they very much did want to remain in F1, they just wanted it to remain a competitive environment for tyre development.
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AndyW76
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Aug 18 2008, 10:15 AM
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Bridgestone smell of wee.
Nah, I think that smell is one of the wacky chemicals they use in the tyre moulds.
are you saying that bridgestone use wackibacki to make their tyres.
May be that is what upset's ferrari so much.
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Norbert
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Aug 18 2008, 01:05 PM
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Well, Michelin don't seem to be able to make a decent MotoGP tyre at present either, after yesterday's debacle.... lol Perhaps everyone should be grateful for a one tyre series after all!
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AndyW76
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Aug 18 2008, 01:54 PM
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- Norbert,Aug 18 2008
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Well, Michelin don't seem to be able to make a decent MotoGP tyre at present either, after yesterday's debacle.... lol Perhaps everyone should be grateful for a one tyre series after all!
Tell that to Michael Schumacher in 2005.
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Aug 18 2008, 03:29 PM
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Then why are ferrari moaning now then? I don't recall McLaren moaning about tyres.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/05/11/were...by-bridgestone/
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Hamashima denied this had caused any problems for the teams:
We have checked the car data from every team, and so far we have seen no problems. Last year we found the small problem on the Friday, but now we are very happy and we don’t face any trouble.
But according to McLaren that was not the case. Ron Dennis said after the race:
There was some internal delamination which Bridgestone were very good at picking up. We didn’t want to have any tyre failure. It was possibly okay to run two stops, but it was a bit more severe on Lewis’ and we put drivers’ safety first.
Lewis Hamilton added:
The reason we went with the three stopper was that Bridgestone were concerned. They thought the tyre was going to fail like it did last year and they made us do a three-stop as it was the safest route to go. Unfortunately that put us in not such a strong position to win the race.
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AndyW76
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Aug 19 2008, 09:44 AM
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Then why are ferrari moaning now then? I don't recall McLaren moaning about tyres.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/05/11/were...by-bridgestone/- Quote:
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Hamashima denied this had caused any problems for the teams:
We have checked the car data from every team, and so far we have seen no problems. Last year we found the small problem on the Friday, but now we are very happy and we don’t face any trouble.
But according to McLaren that was not the case. Ron Dennis said after the race:
There was some internal delamination which Bridgestone were very good at picking up. We didn’t want to have any tyre failure. It was possibly okay to run two stops, but it was a bit more severe on Lewis’ and we put drivers’ safety first.
Lewis Hamilton added:
The reason we went with the three stopper was that Bridgestone were concerned. They thought the tyre was going to fail like it did last year and they made us do a three-stop as it was the safest route to go. Unfortunately that put us in not such a strong position to win the race.
This is hardly moaning, is it, more like explaining their strategy. McLaren saying "we chose 3 stops because it was the best way for our tyre strategy" is very different from ferrari saying "bridgestone don't give us tyres to suit our car".
The difference is that McLaren worked round their tyre problems where as Ferrari kick and scream about theirs.
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Aug 19 2008, 09:42 PM
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Then why are ferrari moaning now then? I don't recall McLaren moaning about tyres.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/05/11/were...by-bridgestone/- Quote:
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Hamashima denied this had caused any problems for the teams:
We have checked the car data from every team, and so far we have seen no problems. Last year we found the small problem on the Friday, but now we are very happy and we don’t face any trouble.
But according to McLaren that was not the case. Ron Dennis said after the race:
There was some internal delamination which Bridgestone were very good at picking up. We didn’t want to have any tyre failure. It was possibly okay to run two stops, but it was a bit more severe on Lewis’ and we put drivers’ safety first.
Lewis Hamilton added:
The reason we went with the three stopper was that Bridgestone were concerned. They thought the tyre was going to fail like it did last year and they made us do a three-stop as it was the safest route to go. Unfortunately that put us in not such a strong position to win the race.
This is hardly moaning, is it, more like explaining their strategy. McLaren saying "we chose 3 stops because it was the best way for our tyre strategy" is very different from ferrari saying "bridgestone don't give us tyres to suit our car". The difference is that McLaren worked round their tyre problems where as Ferrari kick and scream about theirs.
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According to the Italian team's technical boss Aldo Costa in interview with Auto Motor und Sport, the selection of two tyre compounds "to us seems too hard for some circuits".
Can you point out to me the 'where as Ferrari kick and scream about theirs.' in that statement from the link on the original post?
Its no different to the one Mclaren made on the link I gave you, but thought as you can read between the lines better than I can, you might find something I didn't find in either statements?
If that bland statement above by Aldo Costa is kicking and screaming the Renault really spat their dummy out in the same article
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Renault's engineering boss Pat Symonds is backing Ferrari's stance.
"The selection for Hockenheim was definitely too hard," he said. "Also for Spa and Monza a step further on the soft side would be sufficient."
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AndyW76
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Aug 20 2008, 11:17 AM
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Then why are ferrari moaning now then? I don't recall McLaren moaning about tyres.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/05/11/were...by-bridgestone/- Quote:
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Hamashima denied this had caused any problems for the teams:
We have checked the car data from every team, and so far we have seen no problems. Last year we found the small problem on the Friday, but now we are very happy and we don’t face any trouble.
But according to McLaren that was not the case. Ron Dennis said after the race:
There was some internal delamination which Bridgestone were very good at picking up. We didn’t want to have any tyre failure. It was possibly okay to run two stops, but it was a bit more severe on Lewis’ and we put drivers’ safety first.
Lewis Hamilton added:
The reason we went with the three stopper was that Bridgestone were concerned. They thought the tyre was going to fail like it did last year and they made us do a three-stop as it was the safest route to go. Unfortunately that put us in not such a strong position to win the race.
This is hardly moaning, is it, more like explaining their strategy. McLaren saying "we chose 3 stops because it was the best way for our tyre strategy" is very different from ferrari saying "bridgestone don't give us tyres to suit our car". The difference is that McLaren worked round their tyre problems where as Ferrari kick and scream about theirs.
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According to the Italian team's technical boss Aldo Costa in interview with Auto Motor und Sport, the selection of two tyre compounds "to us seems too hard for some circuits".
Can you point out to me the 'where as Ferrari kick and scream about theirs.' in that statement from the link on the original post? Its no different to the one Mclaren made on the link I gave you, but thought as you can read between the lines better than I can, you might find something I didn't find in either statements? If that bland statement above by Aldo Costa is kicking and screaming the Renault really spat their dummy out in the same article - Quote:
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Renault's engineering boss Pat Symonds is backing Ferrari's stance.
"The selection for Hockenheim was definitely too hard," he said. "Also for Spa and Monza a step further on the soft side would be sufficient."
OK, kicking and screaming may be an exaggeration but they are quite obviously expressing their dissatisfaction. What ferrari (and Renault for that matter) should remember is that Bridgestone is supplying the tyres for the whole field, not just especially for them, and bridgestone need to take the overall best tyre. For any team to expect anything different is plain out of order. Instead of grumbling, they should work arround their problems like everyone else has to.
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Aug 20 2008, 12:44 PM
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- AndyW76,Aug 20 2008
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OK, kicking and screaming may be an exaggeration but they are quite obviously expressing their dissatisfaction. What ferrari (and Renault for that matter) should remember is that Bridgestone is supplying the tyres for the whole field, not just especially for them, and bridgestone need to take the overall best tyre. For any team to expect anything different is plain out of order. Instead of grumbling, they should work arround their problems like everyone else has to.
Which just goes to show what a nonsense this whole tyre arrangement currently is.
In order to have a competitive car it is necessary to design one which is optimised to use it's tyres in the same way as the average best tyre use of the entire field.
What a crock.
If we have to have a single tyre supplier then that supplier should just bring all the compounds to all the races and let teams use their preferred choice.
But that would be expensive for BS and wouldn't generate enough media interest in their product. If BS were not willing to be the sole supplier in the right manner then they should not have bid to be that sole supplier.
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AndyW76
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Aug 20 2008, 12:50 PM
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OK, kicking and screaming may be an exaggeration but they are quite obviously expressing their dissatisfaction. What ferrari (and Renault for that matter) should remember is that Bridgestone is supplying the tyres for the whole field, not just especially for them, and bridgestone need to take the overall best tyre. For any team to expect anything different is plain out of order. Instead of grumbling, they should work arround their problems like everyone else has to.
Which just goes to show what a nonsense this whole tyre arrangement currently is. In order to have a competitive car it is necessary to design one which is optimised to use it's tyres in the same way as the average best tyre use of the entire field. What a crock. If we have to have a single tyre supplier then that supplier should just bring all the compounds to all the races and let teams use their preferred choice. But that would be expensive for BS and wouldn't generate enough media interest in their product. If BS were not willing to be the sole supplier in the right manner then they should not have bid to be that sole supplier.
I 100% agree with you that the current tyre rules are crap, that is what F1 is running to at the moment and all the teams must understand that Bridgestone is catering for the whole field and that to comment that the tyres supplier don't suit their car and to unilaterally criticise tyre choice really isn't fair.
If all the teams felt the same way and were united in their criticism, then I could see their point but that isn't the case here. What we have is Ferrari and Renault criticising bridgestone when the deficiency is in how their car uses the tyre and not the other way round.
A bad workman blames his tools.
BTW, I think everyone agrees that it was better when the tyre supplier brought all their compounds to a race, like goodyear used to.
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