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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 8 2008, 10:09 AM (376 Views) | |
| Bear | Aug 8 2008, 10:09 AM Post #1 |
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... this is worth a read, me thunky-wunky: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69715 Nice summary of Massa and Kimi: Massa either 90 or 110 percent, Kimi always 100 percent. (I think Kimi's more 90 and 100, than 100 all the time ...given his recent performances.) If only Ferrari could convince Bridgestone to bring tyres to each race which favour the Ferrari set-up to the detriment of Macca ... ... ... |
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| Norbert | Aug 8 2008, 10:15 AM Post #2 |
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I'm not sure that this summary is entirely accurate. I think that Massa may have the edge on Kimi when everything is going well, but both of them struggle with dodgy cars, however Kimi often struggles less. Recently, we've seen Kimi either struggle more, or just struggle to get the car sorted in the first place, where Massa seesm to be having an easier time getting the car to his liking.... |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Aug 8 2008, 10:24 AM Post #3 |
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Except at Silverstone... |
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| Rams | Aug 8 2008, 10:26 AM Post #4 |
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Massa is faster on a single lap, Kimi faster in the races when in clear air |
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| Norbert | Aug 8 2008, 10:30 AM Post #5 |
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Not always, but quite often. Massa has had him beaten on pace a few times. |
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| RJHSaints | Aug 8 2008, 05:04 PM Post #6 |
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Massa was clearly quicker in the races in Bahrain and Turkey. Monaco as well. That assessment is too simplistic for my liking; clearly, Raikkonen tends to be better in races while Massa tends to be better in qualifying, but one super-fast lap (as Raikkonen often does) does not equal out and out, consistent race pace, let alone the more important race craft, which is where Kimi has been lacking in recent races. Every driver on the grid has suffered with adverse conditions this year. In general I'd say both Ferrari drivers have suffered equally in poor conditions or when the car is not perfect. |
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| Rams | Aug 13 2008, 11:25 AM Post #7 |
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I read an interesting comment from Bridgestone, they said that when the tyre is at 100% Massa extracts 110%, but when the tyre is 90% Massa extracts 90% and Kimi 100% |
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| Bear | Aug 14 2008, 08:00 AM Post #8 |
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Tyre wars? http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...813161008.shtml |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Aug 14 2008, 10:15 AM Post #9 |
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Yet another FIA decision gone wrong. At least they've admitted grooved tyres were a mistake. When will we see multiple (not just two) tyre suppliers in F1 again? |
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| Norbert | Aug 14 2008, 10:38 AM Post #10 |
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This whole two compound rule makes everything worse. If as we hear, Ferrari go better on softer tyres and McLaren go better on harder ones, and one of the tyres is clearly better suited to the track, why should some of the teams have to suffer? There's usually very little difference in outright speed, but often tyre issues later on can have a dramatic effect. What is the issue with having one team use one compund all race, and another use another compound? If Ferrari (or Renault who also complained) can get away with running softer tyres because their car/driver takes less out of them, then so be it. If McLaren need a slightly harder tyre to maximise their race, fine. Look at the races where McLaren have had to do an extra stop to stop Lewis from burning the tyres to bits becuase the choice from BStone was towards the softer range. Personally, I think that that the full range of compounds should be available to all teams in every session. Maybe limit the total number of sets they can have, but at least give every team the opportunity to choose the optimum rubber, even if possibly they do have to stick to the choice once it has been made. I wonder what difference it would have made this year if everyone could have had their best choice? I would bet that Kimi and Lewis would be walking away from everyone else. |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Aug 14 2008, 11:32 AM Post #11 |
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That's exactly why they don't let them have their choice of compound, to stop the situation of Ferrari up to 2004 and Renault up to 2007, where the 'special relationship' they had with the tyre supplier meant that they had the best tyres all the time. Let lots of tyre supplier compete against each other, just as the engine suppliers, chassis suppliers and race teams do. Much more fun. |
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| AndyW76 | Aug 14 2008, 01:17 PM Post #12 |
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I think the same could be achieved with a single supplier but supplying the full compound range at GP |
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| pedal power | Aug 14 2008, 01:40 PM Post #13 |
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so in conclusion one or more tyre supplier. multiple compounds. different compounds used together, (hard on on side, soft on other) somehow i don't think the FIA is going to go for all that. you know how they like to be told how to improve F1.
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| AndyW76 | Aug 14 2008, 01:51 PM Post #14 |
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I don't think it is as much the FIA being told how to improve F1 but more like they don't like repealing rules because that would be admitting that they were wrong in implementing the rule in the first place. |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Aug 14 2008, 03:35 PM Post #15 |
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We're getting slicks back next year, so why should we not get multiple tyre suppliers in future? Problem with one supplier, even if teams are unlimited in their choice of compound, is that all the tyres are the same, in terms of when they work best. What you used to get back when there were multiple suppliers was some tyres suiting some tracks better than others, some being better during the race than others, and as a result, you'd have variability during the race and during the season, because a tyre supplier that got someone onto the front row of the grid would not necessarily have also produced a tyre which lasted all race long. The fact that the FIA force teams to use different compounds is an admission in itself that a uniform tyre produces cars with pretty much the same performance on all the tracks and all through the race. With multiple suppliers, we'd see one car's tyres go off their peak just as anothers was coming on and therefore a lot more overtaking. |
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