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Four-way title fight?
Topic Started: May 25 2008, 06:31 PM (1,046 Views)
RJHSaints
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Drivers' world championship 2008

Name Car Nat Points
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes GB 38
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari Fin 35
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari Brz 34
4 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber Pol 32


Does anyone actually believe Kubica can mount a challenge? That BMW is clearly off the pace at the moment, but Robert keeps getting consistent results, and with others all having shown weaknesses this year, might he take advantage of these to win it?

Or do you think that his bad luck/errors are yet to come and he will fade away later in the year?
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It's interesting. I can't see him going through the whole season as well as he's going at the moment, but he's not making mistakes like the others seem to be.

To be honest I'd say it looks best for Hamilton, as despite 3 poor races in a row where Ferrari were some way ahead he's leading.
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The BMW doesn't have the pace of Ferrari and McLaren, it appears. Kubica capitalised on slip-ups from McLaren in Malaysia and Bahrain, and from Ferrari in Monaco. I'd say it is more a case of Ferrari and McLaren making errors rather than Kubica excelling. He is doing a great job, no question, but the car isn't as good as the Ferrari or McLaren, so he won't be a title contender this year.
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I have to agree with you there Andy, although it pains me to see it, I am slowly beginning to think BMW will not achieve their goal of a win this season, which in turn means they will not likely be a title Challenger next year...
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If BMW can remain consistant, they should be able to capitalise on Ferrari and McLaren mistakes and/or reliability issues.

Maybe not enough to mount a championship challenge, but enough to prepare them for a championship challenge next season.
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Anything could happen next season, but to be honest from where BMW were last season, being in a position to win races was still going to be tough. With the current rules it's very hard to make a big leap in performance. They are obviously stronger than last season.
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RJHSaints,May 25 2008
06:31 PM
Drivers' world championship 2008
       
        Name          Car                      Nat  Points
1 Lewis Hamilton  McLaren-Mercedes  GB  38 
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari                  Fin  35 
3 Felipe Massa    Ferrari                  Brz  34 
4 Robert Kubica  BMW Sauber          Pol  32


Does anyone actually believe Kubica can mount a challenge? That BMW is clearly off the pace at the moment, but Robert keeps getting consistent results, and with others all having shown weaknesses this year, might he take advantage of these to win it?

Or do you think that his bad luck/errors are yet to come and he will fade away later in the year?

I really can not understand how Kimi has managed to win a World Championship

Some of the worst driving i have see in a longtime <dunce>

Massa was impressive only making one mistake and looking at the two drivers its Kimi who should get the flack not Massa

Lewis showed his class yesterday so its Lewis who will win the Championship

BRING BACK M SCHUMACHER
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ELUSIVEJIM,May 26 2008
09:21 AM
I really can not understand how Kimi has managed to win a World Championship

By not driving like that <roflmao>

Kimi threw away his comfortable championship lead yesterday. Now it's anybody's to take, I think Lewis will win in Canada but the Ferrari seems to be better on McLaren-dominated circuits than the McLaren is on Ferrari-dominated circuits, so I still think one of the Ferraris will take the championship. For the moment I'll stick with my pre-season prediction of Massa.

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Who? <dunce>
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Ferrari appear to be suffering from having two drivers both fighting for the championship where McLaren can now justifiably throw all their resources behind Lewis. Have Ferrari forgotten all that they learned during the Schumacher era?

Massa appears to be better than I had previously considered and seems to be maturing into a very good racing driver.

Kimi meanwhile has seemed pretty lack-lustre for the past two or three races and has slipped back to the form he showed at the start of last season which is very disappointing. Even after he won the title last year I felt we had not seen the best of him at Ferrari, I felt he had a lot of headroom to raise his game, now I am not so sure.

Where is the Kimi that drove "like he stole it" ?
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Maybe kimi needs that situation where he is not wxpected to win it therefore the preasure is off to just drive like he wants.

It seems like the preasure of being expected to win the title at the start of the season has be detramental to his driving. I suspect if he falls back a bit in the championship his speed will return.
Or maybe he is just better suited to the tracks on the secon half of the calender.
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Maybe. I hope you are right. I can't help thinking Kimi is not motivated.

He did pick up last year, but not to the level I thought he was capable of. Let's face it he didn't win the title last year so much as Lewis lost it.
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Petra Lead,May 26 2008
11:54 AM
Let's face it he didn't win the title last year so much as Lewis lost it.

Well, the same could be said for Lewis' race yesterday...

...could it not?

Oh no, the fact that Kimi won five races has nothing to do with it.

As for Bring Back Michael... did he not ever have bad days? I seem to remember him planting the entire car in a wall, was it Melbourne? In the dry.

I love how quickly people jump on Kimi when he does not win. Especially the MS fanclub. Ever occur to you that the fact that he had a problem with his wheelnut on the grid and a drive through penalty might compromise his race a bit? Not to mention Ferrari gambling on it raining again later and fuelling him long.

I am looking forward to digging out these posts later on in the season.
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Yeah, Schumacher would probably be doing no better than Kimi is at the moment, although maybe he wouldn't have got a DNF yesterday. Then again, Schumacher has had at least two DNFs at Monaco over the years which were both his fault, and Kimi couldn't really do much about his terminal crash.

I would reject the notion though that you can't win championships without having a clear #1 and #2 driver. Last year, whoever had won it would have had to have earnt primacy in the team in order to do so, and that's the way it should be. I don't want to see championships being won and lost because one of the drivers has a puppet team mate.
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Petra Lead,May 26 2008
12:46 PM
Ferrari appear to be suffering from having two drivers both fighting for the championship where McLaren can now justifiably throw all their resources behind Lewis. Have Ferrari forgotten all that they learned during the Schumacher era?

The problem is that so far this year neither Ferrari driver has asserted himself as being much quicker than the other, so it would not make sense at this stage for Ferrari to throw everything behind one driver.

By the way, it's funny that when Massa is quicker than Kimi it's down to Kimi being "not motivated" rather than Massa being faster than most people were expecting/hoping. <rolleyes>
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Massa certainly proved a lot of his detractors wrong yesterday, me included.

Good show!
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