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How far can Piquet go in the race?
Topic Started: May 24 2008, 07:37 PM (673 Views)
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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 25 2008
08:35 PM
crap car or not, he shouldn't be SO FAR behind his (illustrious) team mate. Hamilton's car didn't give him an edge over Alonso. (well as far as I am concerned, it's my opinion after all).

And I am basing my judegement of him on his preseason comments.

No hamiltons car didnt give him an edge, but it was a very good car which is no dobut easier to get the best out of as a rookie than the car piquet has been given.

Yes piquet acted like a tw@ before the season started and i dont particularly like him, but i feel you are being overly harsh in your expectations of him.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 25 2008
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crap car or not, he shouldn't be SO FAR behind his (illustrious) team mate. Hamilton's car didn't give him an edge over Alonso. (well as far as I am concerned, it's my opinion after all).

And I am basing my judegement of him on his preseason comments.

No hamiltons car didnt give him an edge, but it was a very good car which is no dobut easier to get the best out of as a rookie than the car piquet has been given.

Yes piquet acted like a tw@ before the season started and i dont particularly like him, but i feel you are being overly harsh in your expectations of him.

you could counter that argument and say that its harder to get the best out of a good car.

look at kovi. whatever the reasons and as much as i like him, this season has has not been a match for lewis. the points tell the true story

if piquet was comparable to lewis, piquet would be matching and beating alsono. piquet would be working his way into team leader and alsono would be getting frustarted by being usurped.


added to that, piquet has it easier as he doesnt have the exception, the presuure or the media circus that lewis had.

piquet will be lucky to finish the season at renault.
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dazzerjp,May 26 2008
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look at kovi. whatever the reasons and as much as i like him, this season has has not been a match for lewis. the points tell the true story


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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 25 2008
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crap car or not, he shouldn't be SO FAR behind his (illustrious) team mate. Hamilton's car didn't give him an edge over Alonso. (well as far as I am concerned, it's my opinion after all).

And I am basing my judegement of him on his preseason comments.

No hamiltons car didnt give him an edge, but it was a very good car which is no dobut easier to get the best out of as a rookie than the car piquet has been given.

Yes piquet acted like a tw@ before the season started and i dont particularly like him, but i feel you are being overly harsh in your expectations of him.

you could counter that argument and say that its harder to get the best out of a good car.

look at kovi. whatever the reasons and as much as i like him, this season has has not been a match for lewis. the points tell the true story

if piquet was comparable to lewis, piquet would be matching and beating alsono. piquet would be working his way into team leader and alsono would be getting frustarted by being usurped.


added to that, piquet has it easier as he doesnt have the exception, the presuure or the media circus that lewis had.

piquet will be lucky to finish the season at renault.

but surely a car that handles well is much much easier to set up than one where you are fighting to get it to the apex every corner. Alonsos experience will stand in him good stead to deal with such a car, where as piquet doesnt have that to call on.

Also i seem to remeber in the past brundle stating that aonso prefered a slightly understearing car, if that does not suit piquet he will struggle massively.
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and i am not saying piquet is as good as lewis i am saying some of the criticisms of himare taking it a bit far. A bit like chelsea sacking grant this season - give the guy some time.
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dazzerjp,May 26 2008
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added to that, piquet has it easier as he doesnt have the exception, the presuure or the media circus that lewis had.

piquet will be lucky to finish the season at renault.


I agree with most of your post apart from the last two points.

There was no pressure of expectation on Lewis at the start of the season; certainly not until he had shown he was capable of mixing it at the front. The media circus is something Lewis loves; he courted it and played it to his own ends, starting with Monaco last year.

I think Piquet will finish the season simply because I can't see who else Renault could put in the car. Remember too that it took Heikki a while to settle last year; give the boy a bit longer, its still early to judge.

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It's the Button backlash sorry, considering the shit doled out in the name of Button bashing and here you are defending an arrogant little git.
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dazzerjp,May 26 2008
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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 25 2008
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crap car or not, he shouldn't be SO FAR behind his (illustrious) team mate. Hamilton's car didn't give him an edge over Alonso. (well as far as I am concerned, it's my opinion after all).

And I am basing my judegement of him on his preseason comments.

No hamiltons car didnt give him an edge, but it was a very good car which is no dobut easier to get the best out of as a rookie than the car piquet has been given.

Yes piquet acted like a tw@ before the season started and i dont particularly like him, but i feel you are being overly harsh in your expectations of him.

look at kovi. whatever the reasons and as much as i like him, this season has has not been a match for lewis. the points tell the true story

That's just unfair on Kovalainen. He's been shafted out of a possible win (probable podium) at Istanbul and, given the pace of the McLaren, a very possible podium at Monaco because of factors beyond his control. He also would have had a much better finish in Melbourne if not for the safety car coming out at a horrible time for him. Lewis' only bad finish has come as a result of his own mistake in running into Alonso in Bahrain.

Kovalainen has actually usually been a match for Lewis on pace this year, it's just that circumstances have robbed him of the points to show for it.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 25 2008
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crap car or not, he shouldn't be SO FAR behind his (illustrious) team mate. Hamilton's car didn't give him an edge over Alonso. (well as far as I am concerned, it's my opinion after all).

And I am basing my judegement of him on his preseason comments.

No hamiltons car didnt give him an edge, but it was a very good car which is no dobut easier to get the best out of as a rookie than the car piquet has been given.t

Yes piquet acted like a tw@ before the season started and i dont particularly like him, but i feel you are being overly harsh in your expectations of him.

look at kovi. whatever the reasons and as much as i like him, this season has has not been a match for lewis. the points tell the true story

That's just unfair on Kovalainen. He's been shafted out of a possible win (probable podium) at Istanbul and, given he pace of the McLaren, a very possible podium at Monaco because of factors beyond his control. He also would have had a much better finish in Melbourne if not for the safety car coming out at a horrible time for him. Lewis' only bad finish has come as a result of his own mistake in running into Alonso in Bahrain.

Kovalainen has actually usually been a match for Lewis on pace this year, it's just that circumstances have robbed him of the points to show for it.

i know, i know. but points make prizes.


it is a little unfair, i said as much. but some drivers - usually the greats - seem to have more @luck@ than others.


and i was using kovi as an example. regardless of circumstances - he has less than half the points his team mate does.
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Well it is luck, whatever way you try and dress it up. Without the bad luck, Heikki would probably be close to Lewis on points, so there's no great gulf between the two in my opinion.

There is of course a difference between losing points because of driver error/lack of pace, and losing them because of circumstance. The latter has applied overwhelmingly to Kovalainen, and, especially this weekend, you could argue Lewis gained points from circumstance, given that before the 1st safety car Massa had a ~ 15-20 second lead on him, which would have been enough to get him out ahead of Hamilton after the second stops.
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RJHSaints,May 27 2008
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Well it is luck, whatever way you try and dress it up. Without the bad luck, Heikki would probably be close to Lewis on points, so there's no great gulf between the two in my opinion.

yeah, but, yeah...

i dunno. an unreal conditional never an argument wins.

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RJHSaints,May 26 2008
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Well it is luck, whatever way you try and dress it up. Without the bad luck, Heikki would probably be close to Lewis on points, so there's no great gulf between the two in my opinion.

There is of course a difference between losing points because of driver error/lack of pace, and losing them because of circumstance. The latter has applied overwhelmingly to Kovalainen, and, especially this weekend, you could argue Lewis gained points from circumstance, given that before the 1st safety car Massa had a ~ 15-20 second lead on him, which would have been enough to get him out ahead of Hamilton after the second stops.

After Massa's first stop Hamilton gained a net 55 seconds on Massa so I still think he would've won.
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and i am not saying piquet is as good as lewis i am saying some of the criticisms of himare taking it a bit far. A bit like chelsea sacking grant this season - give the guy some time.

I agree Nelson does need more time, there were encouraging signs in qualifying.

He was very close to Alonso (who actually held him up) he was less than 0.1 sec behind him....

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