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Heikki; Star or Stooge?
Topic Started: May 12 2008, 08:54 AM (897 Views)
bricon
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timmadigan,May 12 2008
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Speedworx,May 12 2008
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

He easily out qualified Lewis here - I believe that was the reason Hami was so perturbed at the post qualifing interviews.

I doubt Lewis' perturbness at the post-qualifying interviews was down to being behind Heikki but in being behind anyone while on a light fuel load. It meant he had to have a phenominal start to regain his advantage and his starts have been hit or miss - either great or problematic, something he probably didn't want to rely on.

Heikki was on alighter fuel load and in front of Hammi, so just my point.
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I am reasonably certain McLaren did not try to rig it so that Lewis beat Heikki. They may have told Heikki to let Lewis through at the start, but that is a different matter. They could have originally been on different strategies and that would have been good sense.

Of course, Raikkonen hitting Heikki at the start means we'll never know.
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RJHSaints,May 12 2008
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I am reasonably certain McLaren did not try to rig it so that Lewis beat Heikki. They may have told Heikki to let Lewis through at the start, but that is a different matter. They could have originally been on different strategies and that would have been good sense.

Of course, Raikkonen hitting Heikki at the start means we'll never know.

Whitmarsh believes Heikki would have won if not for Kimi clipping him.
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RJHSaints,May 12 2008
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I am reasonably certain McLaren did not try to rig it so that Lewis beat Heikki. They may have told Heikki to let Lewis through at the start, but that is a different matter. They could have originally been on different strategies and that would have been good sense.

Of course, Raikkonen hitting Heikki at the start means we'll never know.

Whitmarsh believes Heikki would have won if not for Kimi clipping him.

See relevant thread for my thoughts on that theory. <thumbsup>
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It's a bit stupid to say that Kovalainen was under orders to allow Hamilton to go through. It was pretty obvious due to the nature of the grid tyhat Hamilton would probably pass into turn 1, as he was on the cleaner side. As for Kovalainen 'being told to block Kimi', why the hell would he do anything else? They may both be Finnish but this is F1, not a bloody playground. Everyone defends their position.

Btw if Kovalainen was as fast as Lewis in race mode, he would have finished higher than 12th or wherever he finished. He lacks the spark that Lewis has.
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bricon,May 12 2008
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timmadigan,May 12 2008
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

He easily out qualified Lewis here - I believe that was the reason Hami was so perturbed at the post qualifing interviews.

I doubt Lewis' perturbness at the post-qualifying interviews was down to being behind Heikki but in being behind anyone while on a light fuel load. It meant he had to have a phenominal start to regain his advantage and his starts have been hit or miss - either great or problematic, something he probably didn't want to rely on.

Heikki was on alighter fuel load and in front of Hammi, so just my point.

How do you know this, according to Whitmarsh Heikki was heavier than Massa meaning he was 4-5 laps heavier than Hamilton. Also Kovalainen didnt destroy his tyres so he was going to do a 2 stop.
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safc_fan89,May 13 2008
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As for Kovalainen 'being told to block Kimi', why the hell would he do anything else?

Because it's against the rules to tell one driver to move over for another.

Is it not?
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

He easily out qualified Lewis here - I believe that was the reason Hami was so perturbed at the post qualifing interviews.

I doubt Lewis' perturbness at the post-qualifying interviews was down to being behind Heikki but in being behind anyone while on a light fuel load. It meant he had to have a phenominal start to regain his advantage and his starts have been hit or miss - either great or problematic, something he probably didn't want to rely on.

Heikki was on alighter fuel load and in front of Hammi, so just my point.

How do you know this, according to Whitmarsh Heikki was heavier than Massa meaning he was 4-5 laps heavier than Hamilton. Also Kovalainen didnt destroy his tyres so he was going to do a 2 stop.

Woops meant to say Heikki was on a heavier fuel load and in front. Thanks for the correction.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 14 2008
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safc_fan89,May 13 2008
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As for Kovalainen 'being told to block Kimi', why the hell would he do anything else?

Because it's against the rules to tell one driver to move over for another.

Is it not?

No, unless they are in the same team and you are deliberately attempting to make a serious change to the outcome of the race, or someting that would bring the sport into disrepute - like swapping the lead cars over 50 yards from the finish line.....
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Speedworx,May 12 2008
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

I find this post rather vindictive. It is out of order to "wish" for a driver to crash.

As to your point about relative speed between Lewis and Heikke. I think they are closely matched with nothing to choose between them. To cite Turky as evidence of Heikke being faster than Lewis is to not look at the facts clearly. Lewis qualified on the hard tyre because he was having problems with the soft tyres, heikke used the soft tyres. Of course he would have got a better lap.

Also, I believe that, by qualifying results, Hamilton is leading Heikke 3 to 2.

You can check if you don't believe me.

http://www.grandprix.com/f12008/races.html
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

I find this post rather vindictive. It is out of order to "wish" for a driver to crash.

As to your point about relative speed between Lewis and Heikke. I think they are closely matched with nothing to choose between them. To cite Turky as evidence of Heikke being faster than Lewis is to not look at the facts clearly. Lewis qualified on the hard tyre because he was having problems with the soft tyres, heikke used the soft tyres. Of course he would have got a better lap.

Also, I believe that, by qualifying results, Hamilton is leading Heikke 3 to 2.

You can check if you don't believe me.

http://www.grandprix.com/f12008/races.html

I agree with almost all you say here.

However since Lewis was unable to get a fast lap on the soft tyres because they are unsuited to his driving style he would likely have been slower on the soft tyres than he was on the hard.

It is wrong to then conclude that because Heikki was using the soft tyres that "Of course he (heikki) would have got a better lap."

Lewis used the tyres that, given his driving style, allowed him to do the fastest lap that he could. So did Heikki.

Heikki (on this occasion) was quicker.


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AndyW76,May 15 2008
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Speedworx,May 12 2008
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As proven several times this season Heikki is FASTER than Lewis. He just gets al, the bad luck.

I really wish it had been Lewis to crash in Spain and he had the puncture in Turkey.

Heikki will beat Lewis in the final standings.

I find this post rather vindictive. It is out of order to "wish" for a driver to crash.

As to your point about relative speed between Lewis and Heikke. I think they are closely matched with nothing to choose between them. To cite Turky as evidence of Heikke being faster than Lewis is to not look at the facts clearly. Lewis qualified on the hard tyre because he was having problems with the soft tyres, heikke used the soft tyres. Of course he would have got a better lap.

Also, I believe that, by qualifying results, Hamilton is leading Heikke 3 to 2.

You can check if you don't believe me.

http://www.grandprix.com/f12008/races.html

I agree with almost all you say here.

However since Lewis was unable to get a fast lap on the soft tyres because they are unsuited to his driving style he would likely have been slower on the soft tyres than he was on the hard.

It is wrong to then conclude that because Heikki was using the soft tyres that "Of course he (heikki) would have got a better lap."

Lewis used the tyres that, given his driving style, allowed him to do the fastest lap that he could. So did Heikki.

Heikki (on this occasion) was quicker.

OK, may be I phrased it badly, Lewis got the best lap he could in the circumstances but Heikke got a better on, though their postitions could have been reversed if the circumstances had been different.
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dazzerjp,May 12 2008
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McLaren were probably hoping that Heikki could hold up Raikkonen while Lewis battled Massa for the lead.

And when that didn't work out (because Heikki ended up in front of Lewis on the grid) they stuck to the original plan.

Heikki has outqualified Lewis more than once this season. Why is Lewis not supporting him for the WDC?

i dont think there is any near the team orders that we have seen in the recent past for MS and co or indeed KH and FM at Brazil last year.

I agree though, that Kovi did an excellent job of holding off Kimi and given the different full loads of both McLarn drivers; and Kovi starting on the really really dirty side of the track, the outcome was near perfect.

Kovi proved himself to be a geniune team mate and Im sure that team with be grateful for all the right reasons.

I'm just wondering if Hamilton was sandbagging during quali to bag the clean side of the track..

(I was mid-channel during quali and haven't watched the recording yet.)

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FlutterBy,May 15 2008
10:14 AM

I'm just wondering if Hamilton was sandbagging during quali to bag the clean side of the track..

(I was mid-channel during quali and haven't watched the recording yet.)

That would only work if you knew what time everyone else was going to do.
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I'll watch the recording over the w/e and see if Hamilton had that opportunity, eg. fairly late on in the session.
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