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Topic Started: May 11 2008, 11:55 AM (1,403 Views)
dazzerjp
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safc_fan89,May 12 2008
12:38 AM
It's just funny how some people only see things when the teammate of their favourite driver says something. Laughable actually.

? dont understand your sentence. which people; what team mate; what fav driver

kimi said he was so cause of wing damage. the pit stops showed no evidence of ferrari having the same concern

the tyre issue related to the wear on the softs.
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I'm referring to RJHSaint's rant about Raikkonen. Laughable if you consider that Massa is king of the excuses.
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safc_fan89,May 12 2008
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I'm referring to RJHSaint's rant about Raikkonen. Laughable if you consider that Massa is king of the excuses.

ah, i understand
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One thing struck me today; having to use both tyre compounds during a race effectively prevents anybody running a one stop strategy.

I think this is a shame as it prevents any possibility of the drivers who did not reach Q3 from using this strategy, which until now was a viable option.

I have said it before and I shall continue to say it until that absurd rule is changed; Bridgestone smell of wee.
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It's not a demand from Bridgestone that this happens, surely. Just another failed method of trying to spice up the racing! It would only work if there was a 7 to 8 tenths a lap difference rather than 2 to 3 tenths.

I think it's better for everyone if drivers can't do one-stoppers. It's probably the dullest strategy you can use.
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05:58 PM
One thing struck me today; having to use both tyre compounds during a race effectively prevents anybody running a one stop strategy.

Erm, why? OK, the race would need to be split into a long and a short section, but we've seen some very long stints on hard tyres before. If anything, it's refuelling that prevents a one stopper by making multiple stops so much faster on a lap by lap basis.
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RJH you need to watch the replay tbh. You cannot judge an offside goal in football without one, same with this. Something clearly breaks on the wing.

A lot of people were expecting Kimi to blame Alonso for his slow qually lap, but he didn't even mention it.

And the front wing controls pretty much all the aero these days with all those flaps and flip ups.
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safc_fan89,May 11 2008
06:36 PM
It's not a demand from Bridgestone that this happens, surely. Just another failed method of trying to spice up the racing! It would only work if there was a 7 to 8 tenths a lap difference rather than 2 to 3 tenths.

I think it's better for everyone if drivers can't do one-stoppers. It's probably the dullest strategy you can use.

A lot of teams are saying that without tyre warmers next year, you lose so much time from pit-stops they will try to build a tank to last the race.
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Rams,May 11 2008
07:05 PM
A lot of teams are saying that without tyre warmers next year, you lose so much time from pit-stops they will try to build a tank to last the race.

Unless the two compound rule is removed, that would be pointless, unless you did a Schumacher and pitted on the last lap. In any case, a no pit strategy would cost so much time, by a third of the race the leaders would probably be over a stop ahead anyway. If the difference between Hamilton's three and Massa's two was, what, about half to a whole second a lap, bearing in mind Massa was on soft tyres, and Hamilton on hard, then imagine what difference around 100kg of fuel would make!
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safc_fan89,May 11 2008
03:40 PM
I'm referring to RJHSaint's rant about Raikkonen. Laughable if you consider that Massa is king of the excuses.

What has Massa's past or present behaviour got to do with any of this? This is a Raikkonen issue. I don't believe he was hampered by whatever may or may not have happened on the first lap, as evidenced by his pace remaining solid thereafter. Clearly, Hamilton suffered in Bahrain, as evidenced by his spiralling lap times, whereas in this instance, it's a lot more debateable.

In any case - Kimi also made excuses after Bahrain, by blaming his strategy. I'm not necessarily saying it's a henious crime to make an excuse if you have a bad day, just telling Rams that his putting Raikkonen as driver of the day on the basis that he supposedly struggled with his front wing (i.e. what had originally started this argument) was either a myth or an exaggeration.
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Norbert,May 11 2008
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Rams,May 11 2008
07:05 PM
A lot of teams are saying that without tyre warmers next year, you lose so much time from pit-stops they will try to build a tank to last the race.

Unless the two compound rule is removed, that would be pointless, unless you did a Schumacher and pitted on the last lap. In any case, a no pit strategy would cost so much time, by a third of the race the leaders would probably be over a stop ahead anyway. If the difference between Hamilton's three and Massa's two was, what, about half to a whole second a lap, bearing in mind Massa was on soft tyres, and Hamilton on hard, then imagine what difference around 100kg of fuel would make!

Not if you lose 7-8 seconds per lap on cold tyres for the first few laps.
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http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoConferences.aspx

Kimi states the front wing was broken but not bad enough to change and lose the time.

ITV have this video clip but its nothing like the one onboard Kimi's car they showed during the race.
http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoHighlights.aspx

That showed his wing move a good 5 cm up in the air brushing the back of kovi's rear wheel.
I don't know what damage that would cause but it did look a hard hit on that angle
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Kovi pitted with a puncture soon after the start, when Kimi said that he clipped him with his front wing. How much more proof do you need?

From what Kimi was saying in the press conference, he seems to be stating what happened i.e he had a problem in free practice, a less than perfect qualifying in a heavy car, poor tyre strategy and very nearly got taken out of the race on the first corner, slightly damaging his car in the process. He says it wasn't bad enough to need to be changed and so he coped with it. He seemed to blame a whole lot of things for 'only' coming third, not just his damaged wing.

Maybe it doesn't make him driver of the day, but I don't see how he can be seen to be making excuses.

My driver of the day is Alonso, for not being an arse when Kimi came up to pass him. Massa was also good about letting Lewis overtake him in a faster car. Glock and Piquet did some good overtaking as well. Arse of the day is Fisi for ramming Nakijima and then saying 'it wasna me'.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 11 2008
09:29 PM
Kovi pitted with a puncture soon after the start, when Kimi said that he clipped him with his front wing. How much more proof do you need?

From what Kimi was saying in the press conference, he seems to be stating what happened i.e he had a problem in free practice, a less than perfect qualifying in a heavy car, poor tyre strategy and very nearly got taken out of the race on the first corner, slightly damaging his car in the process. He says it wasn't bad enough to need to be changed and so he coped with it. He seemed to blame a whole lot of things for 'only' coming third, not just his damaged wing.

Maybe it doesn't make him driver of the day, but I don't see how he can be seen to be making excuses.

My driver of the day is Alonso, for not being an arse when Kimi came up to pass him. Massa was also good about letting Lewis overtake him in a faster car. Glock and Piquet did some good overtaking as well. Arse of the day is Fisi for ramming Nakijima and then saying 'it wasna me'.

re: kimi, aren't they actually all excuses?

re:alonso, you mean being a pussy for not putting up any resistence. Button got slated in the forums for being overtaken by people in FASTER cars
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as for this
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Giancarlo Fisichella: I made a good start but then under braking Bourdais changed direction twice and I couldn't brake in time and went into the back of the Williams. I am already looking forward to Monaco. It's my favourite track and I've had some good results there so I have to leave this result behind and concentrate on the next race."

sounds and smells like BS to me.
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