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SEAT get rev penalty
Topic Started: May 9 2008, 01:54 PM (1,054 Views)
stradlin24
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ppparkinson9,May 9 2008
07:17 PM
It's not possible to have a "natural" champion in the WTCC whether they drive a BMW or SEAT or anything else.

Being artifical hasn't exactly hurt NASCAR.

how do you mean artificial?

you mean the green-white-chequered

the thing is about NASCAR is that they put the FANS first and they are easily the best at that then any other series

the lucky dog is another rule that is good for the fans but it works and everyone loves it

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NASCAR is artificial like the WTCC because the governing body tweaks the rules to ensure no one can run away with it.

I'm not saying this is terrible, it's right for NASCAR and for touring cars in general which are supposed to be entertaining above all else.
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ppparkinson9,May 9 2008
07:31 PM
NASCAR is artificial like the WTCC because the governing body tweaks the rules to ensure no one can run away with it.

do they? You must know more than me...

So HMS are spending millions of dollars but they know that if they start to do well then NASCAR will give the rest of field an advantage to allow them to keep up and keep things tight?

hmmmmm, not sure what Rick would think about that!

NASCAR must be sleeping in the 2nd half of last season then...
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I bow to your knowledge of NASCAR, but as I understand it works on equalising the manufacturers rather than the teams.
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ppparkinson9,May 9 2008
07:43 PM
I bow to your knowledge of NASCAR, but as I understand it works on equalising the manufacturers rather than the teams.

Theoretically, the rules make for cars that run more or less evenly. However, Hendrick have a habit of using the Hendrick rule book rather than the NASCAR rule book so that their crew chiefs can have a holiday.

It's a bit hard to quantify a manufacturer though, because while the cars are nominally Fords, Chevies, Toyota etc, all the chassis and bodies are built by the teams, then inspected by NASCAR using various standard templates and a bloody great lattice of templates that fits over the body which is nicknamed 'the claw' (IIRC).

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Typical touring car ploy, why can't BMW make more of an effort to produce a competitive car?
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They actually have the best car, it's just pegged back by the rules.
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Why?
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To stop it being one sided.
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So why does anyone bother entering? Seat can't run their car at full performance, neither can BMW. Besides you have so many BMWs and Seats, so what does it matter?

It just makes the championship look stupid. It's artificial, who wins is effectively in the hands of the FIA.
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As I've said before it's a juggling act, both BMW and SEAT have to be kept sweet because the withdrawal of one would probably lead to the withdrawal of the other which is why there is all this tweaking going on.

A new manufacturer knows that they will be given assistance to make their car competitive in the beginning. This assistance is gradually reduced as they start to make inroads.

Chevrolet are a prime example of this, they were given very generous extra power and wing allowances which have been scaled back.

In the long term it's not clear whether doing it this way is really effective, the WTCC is not exactly drowning in manufacturers, but then neither is the DTM or the BTCC. It's a real struggle in Touring Car Land these days as opposed to the '90's.
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I guess if you lose Seat, you lose half the grid. I don't see BTCC's lack of manufacturers as a weakness.
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It's not a weakness for the BTCC at all because you have private teams that are as good as some manufacturer efforts, Team Dynamics and WSR for example.
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Having looked at the WTCC lineup, there are only 4 makes. BMW (which IS just about half the grid), Seat, a few Chevrolets and Honda. No wonder they need to keep BMW happy.
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