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| Tweet Topic Started: May 9 2008, 08:44 AM (1,105 Views) | |
| TheCompleteGuitarist | May 9 2008, 04:44 PM Post #31 |
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there are several issues to address here. Is the title won on the interpretation of the rule book? Where is the honour or spirit in that. If the rule book can be interpreted by one team, then why not by all. We've seen little consistency in the administration of this issue, from slapped wrists and retained race wins to race bans and dodgy issues concerning the outcome of titles. Not only recently. And I'm neither defending nor attacking Mclaren. I questioned heavily their continued involvement in the sport considering ill gotten gains. It's no wonder they didn't win the title, what with Hamilton's mysterious button control problem taking him out of contention. and we've seen hypocritical responses by those who have gained the most from liberal inerpretations, not just ferrari. You may well yawn, the tiredness of the tune works both ways. Even as a school boy I saw no value in achievements ill gained and a lot of trumpet blowing by those with little or no talent as mere posturing and frankly it pisses me off. If I found that someone or team that I followed gained advantage by ill means then I would seriously review their value to me. |
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| John | May 9 2008, 04:46 PM Post #32 |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | May 9 2008, 04:53 PM Post #33 |
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yeah yeah, so long as you're winning. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | May 9 2008, 04:55 PM Post #34 |
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| Rob | May 9 2008, 05:00 PM Post #35 |
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Maybe they submitted 2 different designs. Maybe (and I know no one will believe this) Ferrari are giving Force India and STR the same engines. |
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| John | May 9 2008, 05:03 PM Post #36 |
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Stop... you're make me cry.
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | May 9 2008, 05:08 PM Post #37 |
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Unfortunately it's just true, we cry about honour and spirit and fair play while scrutinizing the rule books and reading between the lines. |
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| Norbert | May 9 2008, 05:15 PM Post #38 |
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Not necessarily. Do you know for a fact that the engines originally homologated for said teams were the same design? Ferrari may well have homologated a 'factory' and 'customer' spec engine, therefore any change to their own engine would not affect the spec of the customer's supplied engine..... |
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| Brave_Lee_Flea | May 9 2008, 05:45 PM Post #39 |
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I have never been a fan of the way Ferrari conduct themselves politically, so yes, I'd agree. Regarding you earlier post; I think the problem is that whether or not something complies with the spirit of the rules is so subjective that it cannot fairly be ruled upon. It is possible though to judge whether something breaks the letter of the law - its an absolute. Personally I agree with you, I would much prefer the teams to stay within the spirit but sadly with so much money at stake it is just not realistic. And besides, I quite enjoy the creativity that the teams show in finding ways to bend the rules. The FIA are free to tighten up any legislation when they feel their aims in making any given rule are being circumvented - as in the flexi-floor/wings scenarios but perhaps these revisions should only be made at the end of each season; anything considered legal at the start of a season should continue to be so until the end of that season. |
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| Rob | May 9 2008, 05:48 PM Post #40 |
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That would lead to a lot less confusion and appeals. Also might have given McLaren the WCC last year. |
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| Brave_Lee_Flea | May 9 2008, 06:00 PM Post #41 |
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lol No, I don't think that having an open pipeline to inside information and a 780 page dossier were legal even at the start of the season! I was thinking more of the mass-damper and Michelin front tyre scenarios in which Ferrari gained an advantage by having their competitors' previously legal technology ruled offside midway through the season. IMO if a team has successfully managed to exploit a loophole then, unless it is dangerous, they should be allowed to profit from it for the duration of the season. Yes, even if it is McLaren. |
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| ppparkinson9 | May 9 2008, 06:03 PM Post #42 |
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I don't see how they could submit two different designs, in that case everyone would have been at it. It's certainly very possible that teams running the same engine could be miles apart, it happened in the DFV era, McLaren and Lotus in 1988. You could probably give STR and Force India the F2008 and they would still be slower. |
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| Rob | May 9 2008, 06:34 PM Post #43 |
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Not quite what I meant. Even if McLaren knew about Ferrari's flexing floor, there would have been no point in protesting, and there might have been fewer questions asked about where Ron and company got the info.
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| Steelstallions | May 10 2008, 06:52 AM Post #44 |
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Well i won't argue with that Sounds like a nice bit of sour grapes, In other words BMW motor sport director Mario Theissen said at Istanbul Park. "we have no evidence whatsoever to support this theory but lets create the scenario for this accusation to be discussed in the media and damage Ferrari whatever way we can off the track................... and to make sure we don't get sued, end the comments with" "But I assume the normal procedures have taken place. I have no suspicions," he added. So why suggest it at all Mr slim? Damage done to Ferrari, get the tongues wagging and he covers himself legally. |
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| ppparkinson9 | May 10 2008, 10:11 AM Post #45 |
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Well Dr Thiessen has been watching and learning quite clearly..... |
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