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Have Ferrai Beaten The Engine Freeze?
Topic Started: May 9 2008, 08:44 AM (1,103 Views)
everythingoes
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According to whispers in the Istanbul paddock, Ferrari may have found a way to creep ahead in the horse power department this season despite the current 'freeze' on engine development.

It is common knowledge that, not only are the Maranello based team's drivers getting the best starts off the grid, the V8 power plant in the back of the F2008 is now perhaps the most powerful in the entire field.

Last year, however, the engine situation between teams seemed closer, leading to suggestions that Ferrari's permitted tweaks for 2008 have added tangible performance to the unit.

The German magazine Auto Motor und Sport estimates Ferrari's horse power gain compared to last year at 'within the two-digit range'.

Most engine manufacturers made permitted tweaks to their V8 designs over the winter, but it is rumoured that some rival teams are unhappy that Ferrari's changes - apparently green-lighted by the FIA - seem to have resulted in a significant performance gain.


Auto Motor und Sport said Ferrari's rivals are concerned that the Italian team's 2008 changes were submitted "under the pretext of reliability problems".

"The (engine freeze) rules do not allow any great leaps. So whether a development has taken place to increase performance, I cannot judge," BMW motor sport director Mario Theissen said at Istanbul Park.

"But I assume the normal procedures have taken place. I have no suspicions," he added.


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Have Ferrari been really clever, or is it another case of - if they are winning, they must have done something dodgy?<think>
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John
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everythingoes,May 9 2008
09:44 AM
... if they are winning, they must have done something dodgy?<think>

for some that is just their normal attitude to being beaten <doh> and so can be ignored accordingly <thumbsup>



If Mario Theissen has no suspicions then that's good enough for me <roflmao>
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I think teams should be allowed to update the engine as much as they want, but only during the close season. If they have an engine freeze then the engine should be EXACTLY the same as the previous year; if you allow leeway like this then you're just asking for trouble.
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Well, they may have had some reason to make some changes for reliability purposes - they did have numerous failures in Aus. Perhaps it is merely a case of now that they have changed whatever part was suspected of failing, they can merely lean on the engine a bit more, or a bit longer, or both? Or maybe the part(s) causing the failure was doing so due to being inefficient and harming the overall performance of the engine?
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John
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either way it will no doubt be just another a stick to beat Ferrari with should they win
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Norbert
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It's the usual story - when someone wins, it's because they've worked hard and deserved it. Unless they are Ferrari, in which case they've broken the rules to do it. Perhaps the change in engine design was from Ferrari to Mercedes after a cock-up in McLaren's internal post?
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Boo! Hiss! Cheat!! Chuck them out of the championship! Fine them $50million! Take away their points!

Ferrari are bringing the sport into disrepute! BMW are the true constructors champions!!!

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i don't know the ruling here but it sounds like it's been flexed like a famous front/rear wing.

If Ferrari had reliability issues does that mean they designed it badly? How convenient that they were allowed to improve on their design errors.

If another team had reliability issues, say for instance 'it's not producing enough HP can we fix it' . . .. .. then what?

Did Ron Dennis lie? Have Ferrari ever cheated before? If Ron has to live with what people think of him based on passed events how can we ignore others?
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But of course, if McLaren had done something like this, everybody would leap on Ron Dennis's back about it.

After all, according to the events of last season, Ferrari are sweet and innocent and can do no wrong, whereas McLaren and Dennis are filthy cheating scumbags...........apparently.
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$50 million kinda proves they are <whistle>
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IF this is true, then Ferrari have found a way to increase performance within the current rules. All this means is the other teams will be p*ssed off because they didn't do it too... Oh and either the rules will be tightened for 2009 or all the teams will have to "tweak" their engines for "reliability" issues
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If I recall some areas of the engines can still be developed outside of the engine freeze, however I am not sure what they are and what HP advantage could be gained.
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Hell, I say fair game. If ferrari have found an advantage, all the other engine builders should be allowed to exploit it too. As long as there is a level playing field, I'm happy.
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At the end of the day, why didn't the FIA ask for a couple of pre-mod samples and a couple of post-mod ones and throw them on a dyno?
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Norbert,May 9 2008
11:46 AM
At the end of the day, why didn't the FIA ask for a couple of pre-mod samples and a couple of post-mod ones and throw them on a dyno?

because their cra@p?
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