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Turkey; Which Ferrari is going to win?
Topic Started: May 6 2008, 08:44 PM (710 Views)
Alien_SAP_Fiend
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http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one...-weekend-f.html

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The battles ahead thus look to be between Kimi and Felipe for glory and Lewis and Robert for third on the podium. As mentioned before, if Robert can qualify ahead of Lewis and then get a good start in the race, Lewis could have his work cut out to beat him. It is interesting that while Robert has struggled at the start, Nick made an excellent get-away in Spain, so it can't be long before the Pole gets it right.


Yeah, it will be interesting to see who comes out on top in the BMW vs Mercedes battle (sorry, Sauber vs Mclaren <devil> ). If Robert K can sort out his starts, he'll be formidable, but he seems to exhibit Trulli-like tendancies of qualifying well and then losing places at the start. KwikNick vs Heikki... I don't know how Heikki's feeling after last race's trip under the tyres, but Nick hasn't really impressed me so far.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 8 2008
10:39 AM
it will be interesting to see who comes out on top in the BMW vs Mercedes battle (sorry, Sauber vs Mclaren)


Sorry... but I think you will find that it is BMW.Sauber and McLaren-Mercedes... as they do in fact own 95% and 40% of their respective teams <thumbsup>
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 8 2008
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If Robert K can sort out his starts, he'll be formidable, but he seems to exhibit Trulli-like tendancies of qualifying well and then losing places at the start. KwikNick vs Heikki... I don't know how Heikki's feeling after last race's trip under the tyres, but Nick hasn't really impressed me so far.

Kubica needs to get better starts... if he is to have a chance at a podium.. Heidfeld has slowed a little compared to last year. Heikki will continue to get stronger with each race but his big impact in Spain might force him into another cautious race giving Hamilton the best chance to challenge for a win on Sunday
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I was gonna go for an STR but as the new car is delayed i'm gonna plump for Lewis
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I think Heidfeld needs to have a better race this weekend. Kubica has had the measure of him since Australia really, despite Heidfeld's bad luck maybe leaving him with less points than he should have at present.
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He got pushed wide in Sepang costing him several places and was shafted by the safety car in the last race. Without these problems he'd have score more points than Kubica. He's no headline grabber in qualifying but gets the job done in the races slightly better than Kubica. A classic example of the problem with qually stats.
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I agree, he's been in the wrong place at the wrong time a bit this year. However, Kubica is definitely closer to him than in previous seasons, and about time too, considering he's basically been trading on his reputation, enhanced by the odd spectacular poerformance, for ~28 months without really achieving much.
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Rams,May 8 2008
07:45 PM
He got pushed wide in Sepang costing him several places and was shafted by the safety car in the last race. Without these problems he'd have score more points than Kubica. He's no headline grabber in qualifying but gets the job done in the races slightly better than Kubica. A classic example of the problem with qually stats.

Surely it demonstrates the problem with using purely race stats to judge a driver's ability? So many things have happened to Nick in the races that his results have not properly reflected how he's been driving.
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Much like Vettel.
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And, dare I say it, Coulthard. He didn't have a great race in Spain, but it was certainly better than the results showed - he got caught up in the Sutil/Vettel collision, then got held up behind Button and Webber at various points, and then to cap it all was run into by Glock. If not for all that he could certainly have scored points.

Of course, if he'd qualified better it wouldn't have been a problem...<devil>
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Red Andy,May 8 2008
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Of course, if he'd qualified better it wouldn't have been a problem...<devil>

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Red Andy,May 8 2008
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He got pushed wide in Sepang costing him several places and was shafted by the safety car in the last race.  Without these problems he'd have score more points than Kubica.  He's no headline grabber in qualifying but gets the job done in the races slightly better than Kubica.  A classic example of the problem with qually stats.

Surely it demonstrates the problem with using purely race stats to judge a driver's ability? So many things have happened to Nick in the races that his results have not properly reflected how he's been driving.

What other stat is there? Is certainly more accurate than the qualifying stats which are probably 5-0.
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Well you have to use a combination of the two IMO. Qualifying might not count towards the world championship on its own (as you are fond of saying), but it certainly helps put together a good race.
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Rams,May 8 2008
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Red Andy,May 8 2008
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Rams,May 8 2008
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He got pushed wide in Sepang costing him several places and was shafted by the safety car in the last race.  Without these problems he'd have score more points than Kubica.  He's no headline grabber in qualifying but gets the job done in the races slightly better than Kubica.  A classic example of the problem with qually stats.

Surely it demonstrates the problem with using purely race stats to judge a driver's ability? So many things have happened to Nick in the races that his results have not properly reflected how he's been driving.

What other stat is there? Is certainly more accurate than the qualifying stats which are probably 5-0.

It is 4-0, yes. Although, in the races where Nick has been well off Kubica's pace in quali he has also struggled in the race. I find your two most vocal views on F1 are contradictory. You say qualifying doesn't count towards the championship yet you also say you (apparently) need to be 2 seconds a lap faster to overtake. Hence getting stuck behind someone with a heavy fuel load because you've had a bad quali can seriously damage your race prospects, and I even agree that it is exceptionally difficult to overtake on some tracks, though I doubt sincerely that a 2 second advantage is necessary.
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RJHSaints,May 8 2008
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It is 4-0, yes. Although, in the races where Nick has been well off Kubica's pace in quali he has also struggled in the race. I find your two most vocal views on F1 are contradictory. You say qualifying doesn't count towards the championship yet you also say you (apparently) need to be 2 seconds a lap faster to overtake.

Qualifying can important, just not as important as races. I can't understand why you would judge a driver's ability in a session which ultimately doesn't directly count for anything. It's like judging a 100m runner in a quarter final or semi final rather than final.

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Hence getting stuck behind someone with a heavy fuel load because you've had a bad quali can seriously damage your race prospects, and I even agree that it is exceptionally difficult to overtake on some tracks, though I doubt sincerely that a 2 second advantage is necessary.


You must think that Rory Bryne, Pat Symonds and Paddy Lowe are incompetant then.

Personally, I trust their opinion over yours.
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