Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The Pit Lane. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
The Dream team; were they really that good?
Topic Started: Apr 29 2008, 02:31 PM (1,062 Views)
Rob
Member Avatar

Admin
FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
12:16 PM
Rob,Apr 30 2008
02:50 PM
FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
09:31 AM
But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.

As an electronics engineer with some knowledge of software and radio, I would not wish to comment.

Fair enough, but I think the FIA would have picked on any servos hidden in the steering column.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Alien_SAP_Fiend
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Petra Lead,Apr 30 2008
08:42 AM
That said it is also true that at the moment the other teams are not yet as strong as they should/could be for various reasons. The new team at Ferrari can't be blamed for that of course and it is to their credit that they have not dropped the ball they way say Renault, McLaren and Williams have (in their various different ways) but it does make their task a little easier than it might otherwise have been.

Kind of like how Renault had the speed that Ferrari lacked and the reliability that Mclaren lacked in 2005 and the speed that Mclaren lacked and the reliability that Ferrari lacked in 2006?

It was not so much Renault doing well as the other 'better' teams doing badly, relative to Renault.

Kind of takes the shine off Alonso's trophies, doesn't it?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
FlutterBy
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
Rob,Apr 30 2008
05:56 PM
FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
12:16 PM
Rob,Apr 30 2008
02:50 PM
FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
09:31 AM
But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.

As an electronics engineer with some knowledge of software and radio, I would not wish to comment.

Fair enough, but I think the FIA would have picked on any servos hidden in the steering column.

Electromagnetic devices can act as both sensors and actuators. A rotary sensor reporting steering wheel column position to the 'black box' could be fed current and used to turn the column. This could be done under software control - with the software concerned being held in volatile memory. See Richard Williams' book 'The Death of Ayrton Senna' about the latter.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
FlutterBy
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
I would be fascinated to watch the GPS tracking of the cars. Differential GPS is a lot more accurate than standard, and could in theory give the position of the cars to a few centimetres. I'd like to be able to compare the readouts for successive laps, when the car concerned has a clear track ahead of it.







<peek>
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Red Andy
Member Avatar

Moderator
Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 1 2008
12:17 PM
Petra Lead,Apr 30 2008
08:42 AM
That said it is also true that at the moment the other teams are not yet as strong as they should/could be for various reasons. The new team at Ferrari can't be blamed for that of course and it is to their credit that they have not dropped the ball they way say Renault, McLaren and Williams have (in their various different ways) but it does make their task a little easier than it might otherwise have been.

Kind of like how Renault had the speed that Ferrari lacked and the reliability that Mclaren lacked in 2005 and the speed that Mclaren lacked and the reliability that Ferrari lacked in 2006?

It was not so much Renault doing well as the other 'better' teams doing badly, relative to Renault.

Kind of takes the shine off Alonso's trophies, doesn't it?

Except that it's garbage, because who are you racing against other than your competitors? To win championships you have to be the best team at the time. It's not your fault that the other teams aren't able to beat you.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
John
Team Boss
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Totally agree with that... <thumbsup>
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Alien_SAP_Fiend
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Red Andy,May 1 2008
01:31 PM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 1 2008
12:17 PM
Petra Lead,Apr 30 2008
08:42 AM
That said it is also true that at the moment the other teams are not yet as strong as they should/could be for various reasons. The new team at Ferrari can't be blamed for that of course and it is to their credit that they have not dropped the ball they way say Renault, McLaren and Williams have (in their various different ways) but it does make their task a little easier than it might otherwise have been.

Kind of like how Renault had the speed that Ferrari lacked and the reliability that Mclaren lacked in 2005 and the speed that Mclaren lacked and the reliability that Ferrari lacked in 2006?

It was not so much Renault doing well as the other 'better' teams doing badly, relative to Renault.

Kind of takes the shine off Alonso's trophies, doesn't it?

Except that it's garbage, because who are you racing against other than your competitors? To win championships you have to be the best team at the time. It's not your fault that the other teams aren't able to beat you.

Does that apply to Ferrari's championship last year?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
safc_fan89
Member Avatar
safc_fan89
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
The difference between Ferrari and all other teams (from the last decade at least) is that they have been consistently at the top. You can't put Ferrari's improvements in the late 90s down to specific people, it was a team effort. They were better than everyone else in just about every department.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Monty
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Apr 29 2008
09:04 PM

Not much moaning about the post-Dream Team team any more, is there? In fact I'd go as far as to say that Ferrari have seldom looked stronger. 2004 all over again, but this time without the people who were given most of the credit.

Nah in the last race they only just bet BMW and Mclaren. In 2002 and 2004 they had a far,far bigger advantage taking ever pole and every race win by half a minute. Who knows but it was probably partly down to Schumacher and partly the likes of Brawn. The current drivers have had everything put in place for them unlike Schumacher.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Alien_SAP_Fiend
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
safc_fan89,May 2 2008
04:30 PM
You can't put Ferrari's improvements in the late 90s down to specific people, it was a team effort. They were better than everyone else in just about every department.

And still are... without Schumacher, Brawn, Todt, et al.

Admittedly Chris Dyer is still there, but the people who wailed and gnashed their teeth when Michael left and villified his replacement are now silent.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AndyW76
Member Avatar
Team Boss
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Alien_SAP_Fiend,May 6 2008
11:39 AM
safc_fan89,May 2 2008
04:30 PM
You can't put Ferrari's improvements in the late 90s down to specific people, it was a team effort. They were better than everyone else in just about every department.

And still are... without Schumacher, Brawn, Todt, et al.

Admittedly Chris Dyer is still there, but the people who wailed and gnashed their teeth when Michael left and villified his replacement are now silent.

Ferrari's efforts of the late 90s produced a lasting legacy. They relearned how to win as a team and ensured success for the future by investing future talent.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
TheCompleteGuitarist
Driver
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
It will fade.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rob
Member Avatar

Admin
The talent or knowing how to win?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AndyW76
Member Avatar
Team Boss
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Nothing lasts for ever, that's a given and Ferrari will have the odd ropey year, but their current set up is the template for a winning GP team.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Brave_Lee_Flea
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Isn't there a theory that success in football is largely cyclical and based around just a few top teams? I have an idea that the same is true of F1 and that McLaren and possibly Williams will again have their turn at the top of the pile.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Formula 1 · Next Topic »
Add Reply