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The Dream team; were they really that good?
Topic Started: Apr 29 2008, 02:31 PM (1,063 Views)
AndyW76
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John,Apr 30 2008
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pedal power,Apr 30 2008
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One other thing to note is that you could have all the best people in your team, but it’s nothing without an experienced winning driver.

BMW... :s

Well, with Heidfeld they have experience and in Kubica they have a potential winner. He certainly is quick enough, it is just a matter of time. Heidfeld could possibly get a win but I think Kubica is quicker than him.
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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pedal power,Apr 30 2008
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One other thing to note is that you could have all the best people in your team, but it's nothing without an experienced winning driver.

Or some very good electronics................. <whistle>

You may be thinking of a different Italian team there ....... :P
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The dream team were every bit as good people thought, maybe more so as they have been able to bring people from with in the teamto replace them and provide continuity. The people in charge now have differing roles to the guy they have replaced but that shows how Ferrari have got it right in allowing the team to evolve. Having said that you need a driver to perform and if Massa had been chosen to lead the team I am sure they would not have had the same level of success.
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everythingoes,Apr 30 2008
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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pedal power,Apr 30 2008
10:03 AM
One other thing to note is that you could have all the best people in your team, but it's nothing without an experienced winning driver.

Or some very good electronics................. <whistle>

You may be thinking of a different Italian team there ....... :P

Italian, perhaps. But different.....................? <think>

Recognise a few names here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benetton_Formula

This is also interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Todt

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He has managed the Scuderia since; he was responsible for hiring
Michael Schumacher in 1996, with whom came strategist  Ross Brawn  , and
designer  Rory Byrne.




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AndyW76
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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everythingoes,Apr 30 2008
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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pedal power,Apr 30 2008
10:03 AM
One other thing to note is that you could have all the best people in your team, but it's nothing without an experienced winning driver.

Or some very good electronics................. <whistle>

You may be thinking of a different Italian team there ....... :P

Italian, perhaps. But different.....................? <think>

Recognise a few names here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benetton_Formula

Careful, don't mention illegal traction control <roflmao>
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...<whistle> <whistle> <whistle>
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
05:24 AM
pedal power,Apr 30 2008
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One other thing to note is that you could have all the best people in your team, but it's nothing without an experienced winning driver.

Or some very good electronics................. <whistle>

Michael Schumacher is not a robot (Kimi is much closer to that).
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

ah, i remember those driver aids.

the ferrari had controls on the steering wheel. very advanced. there was a especially useful button called @The FIA@ button, which Ferrari pressed when they felt like it....


oh missus... <wave>
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

I was at the 1994 french GP and they way he went between the 2 williams from 3rd on the grid looked unnatural. Both williams might have got a shite start, you never know.
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Ah, the FIA button. Very useful. <bow>

The Williams had certainly been having trouble adapting to the lack of TC, as had most of the other teams..
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.
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Rob,Apr 30 2008
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.

Look at the 92 Willams a trained chimp could have driven it with the driver aids but he would still have been 2 seconds a lap slower than a top driver, Mansell in this case
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willyshafter,Apr 30 2008
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Rob,Apr 30 2008
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.

Look at the 92 Willams a trained chimp could have driven it with the driver aids but he would still have been 2 seconds a lap slower than a top driver, Mansell in this case

I see your point, but disagree somewhat on the ease of driving the 92 Williams. It was one of the top car in F1 history, and while Mansell walked the title, Patrese wasn't that far ahead of Shumi and Senna at the end of the year.

But we'll never know about you trained chimp theory, since Alex Yoong wouldn't be in F1 for another 9 years.
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Rob,Apr 30 2008
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FlutterBy,Apr 30 2008
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But to what extent was he a passenger in one? All those 'driver aids', remember.

Not as much as I think you might be suggesting. Ever with all the available driver aids possible, the car still doesn't know braking points, steering input, and when to slam the gas. Shumi had some GREAT cars in his F1 career, but he still had to drive them.

As an electronics engineer with some knowledge of software and radio, I would not wish to comment.
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