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| Dorna suggests a real cost cutting rule; No chance of this happening | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 20 2007, 05:55 PM (263 Views) | |
| ppparkinson9 | Dec 20 2007, 05:55 PM Post #1 |
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Link Carmelo Ezpeleta of Dorna has actually floated a potentially good idea. But really, good luck in getting it past the MSMA (The manufacturers association). |
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| Norbert | Dec 23 2007, 01:35 AM Post #2 |
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I think standard parts in a multi-manufacturer series is pants, to be blunt. It may possibly work in F1 because the engines are almost the same (the basic specs are very tightly regulated), but for MotoGP I'm sure that most of the manufacturers have totally different engines and it would be very hard to make them all change to the same basic type, not to mention, er, costly. Would Duke really be happy going back to conventional valves, and would Yamaha prefer to go from inline to V4? I think not. I forget what Honda came up with after the 800cc rules.... |
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| ppparkinson9 | Dec 23 2007, 10:10 AM Post #3 |
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No one for a minute is suggesting that everyone runs the same engine. There's no need, like the 500cc era the move to 800 is forcing all the manufacturers gradually toward V4's, Honda switched to this and Valentino Rossi has been urging Yamaha to do the same. A control ECU would but a brake on the relentless advance of electronics which are robbing MotoGP bikes of a lot of their spectacle, they don't slide as much anymore. But more than that the problem is that while the manufacturers supply the entire grid there aren't enough teams that can afford to pay the highly expensive lease fees on bikes. Roberts are marginal for example. That leaves a grid of 18 when it's supposed to be 24. There are certainly areas where common parts could work to limit costs but of course unlike F1 the manufacturers have the governing body over a barrel and keep them there. |
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| sportsman | Dec 23 2007, 11:46 AM Post #4 |
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I think that all of these cost cutting measures are ruining the sport. Moto GP is a class for ptototype motorcycles with a maximun engine capacity of 800cc. Anyone entering the MOTO GP class should be aware of the cost before they enter. If they can't afford it the is a prefectly acceptable class called Superbike which is essentially for production bikes. I have exactly the same viewpoint regarding F1. If you cant afford it there are many other open wheel classes which you can enter. And any way this is self promogulating rule. If F1 or Moto GP becomes so expensive there will be only about half a dozen bikes or car per race which makre the class unsutainable and the secondary level ie. Superbike A1GP effectively performs the same role at a lesser cost. |
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| Norbert | Dec 23 2007, 05:44 PM Post #5 |
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Exactly. If you can't stand the heat, don't become a chef. Why should teams with money suffer because of the ones without? It would be like telling Lord and Lady muck that they can only spend £167K on their next mansion because that's the average price for a first time house and it's unfair on the poorer people that others can afford a more comfy house. (and no, I can't even afford £167K either!!) |
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| ppparkinson9 | Dec 23 2007, 05:52 PM Post #6 |
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There hasn't actually been any cost cutting in MotoGP, the exact opposite occured with the 800cc rules forcing everyone to junk their machines and start again. The series organisers of MotoGP and F1 are not going to let their series die on a "survival of the fittest" basis, they have their TV contracts to fulfil and 12 machine grids don't look good on TV. Indeed grid numbers were much lower in the early '90's in 500cc and Yamaha and later Honda made cheap customer machinery available to counter it. Not forgetting that MotoGP replaced 500cc in the first place partly due to a desire to attract manufacturers away from WSB which was probably a better series than 500's in the late nineties. Everyone is only too aware of the cost of MotoGP, which is why KTM and BMW backed off. |
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