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The Reasons Why...; the season is a bit dull....
Topic Started: Sep 7 2007, 10:58 AM (293 Views)
Flatdog
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was wondering what everyone elses ideas on why this season, which promised so much, has turned into a bit of a damp squib?

i have my own opinion on why and will post it up when i can sit down and write properly.
would just be interested to see what others think...

is it tyres, bikes, riders or all 3 that have done it and in what proportion....

<think>

no wrong answers on this one (unless they differ from my ideas)..

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Primary reason, Stoner's forgotten to fall off his bike <doh> <LOL>
On a more serious note, its the tyres. They've become far too influential in the outcome of the race. That combined with the fact that Ducati and B'stone have got it right.
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everythingoes,Sep 7 2007
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Primary reason, Stoner's forgotten to fall off his bike <doh> <LOL>
On a more serious note, its the tyres. They've become far too influential in the outcome of the race. That combined with the fact that Ducati and B'stone have got it right.

It does look like the new tyre rules have either suited Bridgestone better or they've adapted the best. Its a shame really. Was looking like it could be a classic at the beginning of the season
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everythingoes,Sep 7 2007
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Primary reason, Stoner's forgotten to fall off his bike <doh> <LOL>

that could have been a good thing.could have been really close season if they had maybe been on the same tyres.you would have fancied vale then maybe?

i dont want to take away from what casey has done as whatever way you look at it he has been great but at the same time there has often been very little pressure. <think>

anyway i blame the tyres. especially more recently it seems?

but i hate tyre wars anyway in whatever formula .i know some people are in favour of them as they help development.and i know the logical conclusion of a one tyre series is give everyone the same bike.

but who said i had to be logical? :P
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vikki,Sep 7 2007
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everythingoes,Sep 7 2007
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Primary reason, Stoner's forgotten to fall off his bike <doh> <LOL>

that could have been a good thing.could have been really close season if they had maybe been on the same tyres.you would have fancied vale then maybe?

i dont want to take away from what casey has done as whatever way you look at it he has been great but at the same time there has often been very little pressure. <think>

anyway i blame the tyres. especially more recently it seems?

but i hate tyre wars anyway in whatever formula .i know some people are in favour of them as they help development.and i know the logical conclusion of a one tyre series is give everyone the same bike.

but who said i had to be logical? :P

At the start of the season with both on same tyres, yes I'd have fancied Rossi to win. However, seeing that Stoner has been pretty much faultless so far, I guess it would have been close, his bike still has a bit of a straight line speed advantage, so he might even have been ahead, but not by this much, surely.
You're right about the tyre difference being a bit more apparent in some of the more recent races. Especially on the twisty tracks that one thought would negate the speed difference. Michellin, just didn't get it right.
I'm not against tyre wars per se, but this time the restrictions placed on the bigger suppliers has not helped at all and neither have they caused the others to come closer. I don't see what purpose they've served.
Having said all that, I'm very pleased to see Ducati doing so well. They deserve every bit of their success, as does Stoner. All the reasons that are supposedly why they're ahead don't detract from their performance <clap>
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The tyres are the main thing clearly, but I don't think the move to 800cc helped much either.

Sometimes you get dull seasons. It's just the way it is. I was reading Toby Moody's column on Autosport and he pointed out that no one complained in 2002 when Rossi won seven races on the bounce on the unbeatable Honda.

Which brings me to another point, obviously Tohru Ukawa in 2002 was no match for Rossi, but Loris Capirossi hasn't been a match for Casey Stoner at all, and that I find mysterious and hard to understand. If Capirex had ridden as well as we know he can, we would have had a classic season.
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ppparkinson9,Sep 7 2007
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The tyres are the main thing clearly, but I don't think the move to 800cc helped much either.

Sometimes you get dull seasons. It's just the way it is. I was reading Toby Moody's column on Autosport and he pointed out that no one complained in 2002 when Rossi won seven races on the bounce on the unbeatable Honda.

Which brings me to another point, obviously Tohru Ukawa in 2002 was no match for Rossi, but Loris Capirossi hasn't been a match for Casey Stoner at all, and that I find mysterious and hard to understand. If Capirex had ridden as well as we know he can, we would have had a classic season.

If Loris had been on top form then I think you're right, we'd have had a classic season. But then Loris on top form is always worth watching <thumbsup>
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well, heres my views...

RE tyres.

the disparity between tyre makes has always been there <yikes> its just now bridgestone is the leader.most seasons have seen michelin(usually) winning most races with the others getting one or 2 wins and a few tracks favouring neither make..
as michelin supplied most works teams, this difference never really showed up at the front until last year when the bridgestones started working at more tracks.now tho' some works teams are not on french rubber and so it is highlighted much more.
picking the right tyre has always been paramount to winning, so the fact that it has to be done on thursday is neither here nor there, they all have to do it..

RE bikes.

honda have admitted that they "seriously underestimated" the opposition when they made their rc212v. yamaha have chosen to hide behind the tyre rules and not admit to having an uncompetitive bike. if the m1 was competitive, then why are they sticking in an untested engine layout into their star riders bike? no, the yam is pants at the moment IMO.
ducati have had an 800 prototype for a looong time now and it shows....
suzuki were testing engine layout and design from the start of 2006....
kawasaki seem to have engineered a good bike in a short space of time

honda and yamaha, the 2 traditional "powerhouses" of motogp have been caught with their pants down by the smaller marques... <thumbsup>

RE riders.

stoners personal life has fallen into place and he obviously fits in very well at ducati.
everything is going right at the moment for him...
rossi has had more bad luck..and outside influences are not helping.combined with a knowledge that your package is crap, can you blame him for not winning?
pedrosa is also frustrated by hondas lack of pace...


so IMO, it is the capacity change that has caused this lack of action..the other 2 reasons have some influence but not nearly as much as this one.


to sum up....if you have made it this far :D

tyre situ... still need to choose the right tyre, only now, you have less data. smaller margin for error than last year= smaller change.

bike situ.. new engine needs new chassis and the riders have to adapt to the change in riding style= BIG changes.



the people who have adapted to the rules etc are obviously Ducati and Casey Stoner.
its just a pity that no one else has caught up yet..


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