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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 26 2007, 02:46 PM (1,039 Views) | |
| dcoulthard19 | Aug 26 2007, 02:46 PM Post #1 |
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I will say a 5, the Ferrari battle was interesting, a few good moves down the field but not much else. Also on the bright side the championship is now tighter. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 26 2007, 02:47 PM Post #2 |
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If ever there was a race that showed why the cars MUST be changed. The last 2 races here have been excellent, this one was anything but. A generous 2. |
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| Rams | Aug 26 2007, 03:46 PM Post #3 |
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A 3. The director was very poor, he rarely bothered to show the midfield battles for the first half of the race and then cut away from Button/Coulthard in the middle. It only gets a 3 because we did actually see an overtaking manourve, and Hamilton's tyre provided some desperately needed drama. |
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| The STIG | Aug 26 2007, 03:56 PM Post #4 |
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No option for 0!!! SAFC - the cars themselves are not the problem. there has been some very good races lately with actual real overtaking, Nurburgring for a start. So I think the car design is finally getting somewhere. What spoilt the racing today was the track. It is too disjointed. the best circuits have long flowing sections, and istanbul just hasn't got any. plus their atifical hills dont' really help anything. now Spa. oh boy. I can't wait for spa. Real hills, and lovely fast flowing corners like Eau Rouge - Radillion... that's where we'll see the cars and their drivers REALLY tested to their limits. |
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| Rams | Aug 26 2007, 04:33 PM Post #5 |
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Can't agree with you there. The vast majority of overtaking done at the Nurburgring was done in wet or damp conditions. Alonso was nowhere near Massa, then as soon as bit of rain came down he went through. You only need to watch GP2 races at the same tracks to see that F1 cars are the problem. Even last year in F1 we saw closer action at Turkey. |
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| The STIG | Aug 26 2007, 04:37 PM Post #6 |
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Well okay, but I'll point out that F1 has had some very good races this year, none of them on a tilke designed track. co-incidence? |
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| Rams | Aug 26 2007, 04:43 PM Post #7 |
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I'd only consider 2 of the races this year to be particularly good, one was Canada and the other Nurby. And Nurby was entirely due to the weather. After that the only race that also offered overtaking was Bahrain, which is a Tilkedrome. Some of Tilke's tracks like Sepang and China are poor but the slightly more modern ones are a better. Blaming Tilke isn't really fair considering we get very little overtaking at "classic" tracks such as Silverstone. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 26 2007, 05:03 PM Post #8 |
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Stig, I couldn't agree less on just about everything you have mentioned. It is 100% the cars. If the cars were changed, then we would hopefully see decent races like we saw in the late 90s. In those days, if you started at the back you could overtake and get through to the points. Hakkinen and Schumacher did at the A1-Ring, which was hardly a great circuit. Schumacher did at Suzuka. These days, on most tracks, that isn't possible. In 2002, 2003 and 2004 the Silverstone GP was brilliant, but in the last few years the races have been very poor. The track hasn't changed. How is car design 'getting there'? The rules haven't been changed aero-wise, which is the problem, since 2005. It's nothing to do with Tilke, you just seem to have a vendetta against him. An ill-advised vendetta I would say. Istanbul is a great track. You just don't like it because of who made it, which tbh I find a bit childish. Plus, Eau Rouge is nothing now, it's only something when you crash. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Aug 26 2007, 05:15 PM Post #9 |
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I will always watc F1 whatever but once again i was left bored by the race. I really thought it would be exciting as it has been in the past at Turkey but it was poor. I hope next year with the banning of traction control this will improve. Can not see Monza or Spa improving this unless we have a wet race
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| Rob | Aug 27 2007, 01:52 PM Post #10 |
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Good result, but it was a boring race. 3 |
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| Red Andy | Aug 27 2007, 02:16 PM Post #11 |
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I was hoping Turkey would provide some excitement to bridge the gap between the two dullest races of the season, but it has failed miserably. 3 - but only because of Hamilton's blowout providing a bit of drama near the end. |
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| The STIG | Aug 28 2007, 12:23 PM Post #12 |
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I reckon you guys missed the close fighting and battles at Mangy cours and Indianapolis then. and even before that there was fighting over the the top spots - albiet never an actual overtake but still, it proves that the cars CAN run close together, and CAN overtake. Circuits should not be designed to suit the cars, the cars should be designed to suit the circuits, that is true, but in F1 it appears that everyone blames the cars for their driver's poor performance or the cack handed efforts of a crazy man with a pencil. A machine cannot be blamed for a boring race, and I'll tell you why: I maintain that a really good driver can take any car from any formula to a top 3 position within 10 races (on any circuits) of first driving that car. How many of the current F1 drivers would be able to do that? Answer: not many. I'd say about 4 at most, and one of them is annoyingly called Lewis. (think about it, stepped straight into a McLaren and took it to a top 3 finish at his first race attempt???). There are many other drivers throughout motorsport who have achieved similar feats. I suspect that Valentino Rossi may well be able to perform the same sort of results should he ever add an extra 2 wheels to his portfolio (in fact, he already has won a rally). It would be most interesting to see Mr Hamilton at the wheel of a DTM car, Alonso armed with a GT1 endurance racer, Raikkonen in a rally (given he's a Finn, he'll probably win that), or Massa in... well anything. By that logic, if F1 drivers really are the best in the world, 22 of them should be battling for the win. yet only 4 have any chance at all, and it is also painfully obvious that nearly all the winners have started from pole. Admittedly as I've already mentioned, they were challenged along the way, with the possible exception of at the Hungoraring. A truely awefull circuit which once again, produced a very boring race and Hamilton was never really threatened. He didn't even loose position in the pit stops! Ah, that's another thing. Prehaps they need to look at pit stops again... Ban Refueling prehaps? reduce the number of mechanics to, say 5 and introduce individual rather than shared pit bays to prevent "queueing". This would also force the manufacturers to make the cars more fuel efficient, which will please the enviromonkeys. Back to original point. and having read what I've said about the cars and the drivers, I'll now go and contradict myself a bit by bringing up my major gripe about F1 cars. The cars are clearly too easy to drive! They are loaded up with driver aids which takes a lot of the skill away from car control. They even have power steering; a device I still maintain is for wimps. The semi automatic boxes also seem to negate the need for a great deal of co-ordination, and in any case the rev limiters and other associated electrickery will prevent any real damage being caused. So yes, a really good driver should be able to take any car to a win - but when the cars are as easy to drive as a pedal car, what does that say about the drivers who are permamently at the back? A Monkey could drive an F1 car these days. Oook Oook Oook! *The STIG eats a banana. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 28 2007, 10:15 PM Post #13 |
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I don't think it matters how easy the cars are to drive, the best drivers will still get a good deal more out of the car. Look at some of Schumacher's low fuel laps from last year (Turkey and Japan spring to mind), they were mind-blowing. One thing you blatantly overlook is that the cars are designed individually and there is a large difference between the Ferrari and the Spyker. Again I fail to see why you hate all F1 drivers. Who cares if they are only good at one form of motorsport? Why should they try their hand at another sport? Even if they wanted to, they are banned from doing so. If you dislike F1 so much, cut all ties you have with it. Don't watch, don't read about it, don't join in on discussions about it. Then you won't be able to complain about it! |
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| The STIG | Aug 28 2007, 10:26 PM Post #14 |
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Good point. yes a good driver will definatly get more out of a car than a bad one.
Have I over looked that? One could also argue that there is a large difference between the drivers of both the Spyker and the Ferrari! Remember that all the cars are also built to the same set of regulations, from (broadly speaking) the same materials, and using the same, or at least very similar techniques.
I reverse the question. Why should they not try something else? And I've never heard of any driver banned from racing in more than one formula (by a governing body). Incidentally. Being in F1 did not stop drivers like Stirling Moss from also competing in Fomula 2 (As was) Formula 3, Karting, rallying, sportscars, and many other motorsports. it also didn't do his career or driving ability any harm. I maintain that it would be very interesting to watch a F1 driver flail around hopelessly in a GT 1 car...
Again, the misguided conception that I hate F1. I don't. I want it to be the best motorsport there is. But at the moment it isn't, and it's all down to the fact it's run as a business rather than a sport. surely even you can see that? I've seen even the most hard nosed F1 fan have the same complaints as me. |
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| The Saint | Aug 28 2007, 10:33 PM Post #15 |
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lol stig, youre about the only person on here who thinks you like F1 |
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