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Renault fell further than Honda; in performance compared to last year
Topic Started: Aug 21 2007, 05:59 PM (131 Views)
Mrs Shrek
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Renault took the biggest step backwards this year compared with every other F1 team, according to an analysis.

The magazine Auto Motor und Sport claims that the French team, after securing the 2005 and 2006 drivers' and constructors' titles, fell back more dramatically than any rival this year in terms of championship points and actual car pace - including the dreadful Honda outfit.

After 11 races last year, Renault had 142 points on the scoreboard, and 121 in 2005.

This year, the team has just 33, and is a large margin behind not only McLaren and Ferrari but also BMW-Sauber.

On the track, Renault has dropped back by an average of 1.204 seconds. In comparison, McLaren gained 0.039 seconds per lap in 2007 compared with last year, and BMW-Sauber 0.051.

A big upwards mover, meanwhile, is Red Bull; some 1.151 quicker than in 2006.

Renault, however, fares better in the reliability stakes, with only McLaren completing more racing laps so far this season, but is dead last in the comparison of points scored in 2007 and 2006.


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Red Andy
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But Renault had further to fall than Honda, so it's hardly a fair comparison. I would say 1st to 4th, compared with 4th to 9th is a better one.
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That doesn't seem right to me, McLaren having such a small gain going from a distant 3rd to a clear 1st? I take it this is done purely on pace, and not on reliabilty or results.

Agreed with Andy
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Red Andy
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This year the two leading teams are a long way ahead of the rest of the field, whereas last year - although Renault and Ferrari were the clear leaders for much of the season - the leaders were a lot closer to the rest. That explains why BMW have gone from fifth to third, despite gaining only half a tenth a lap.

The thing is that the team's aren't competing in a vacuum - it's not so much absolute pace that counts as pace compared to the rest of the field.
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I dont think thats right, i would say Honda are almost 2 seconds down on pace in relation to the leader. Renault are about a second off, im surprised the improvement from redbull was so substantial. Then again the car at the end of last year was barely capable of getting through Q1
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If this is relative to last year, remember that there are matters such as harder tyres and limited engines. Mclaren were very slow last season (well, compared to where they should have been), so that makes no sense at all.
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Renault have taken a mighty step back, last year they were champions with well over 100 points and at the moment they have only 33 points.

It that isn't a big step back then what is?

The reason why people don't really notice how big a step back it is, is probably because people aren't that surprised by it, lots of people weren't expecting them to do poorly this year.

Honda have taken a huge step back this year but there were times in the middle of last season where they were in the same position as some of the races this year and it wasn't a race winning car remember, it won a race in the wet conditions.
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I think if for no other reason, they do not have the resources that Ferrari have, for example. Renault devoted all their time last summer on the 06 car, whereas Mclaren and Ferrari were developing their 07 car.
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I doubt that they are just comparing lap times from one year to the next, surely they are comparing from the fastest lap in 2006 to the fastest lap in 2007 as your starting point, then seeing how far off the pace teams are.

McLaren have clearly improved more than 0.039 seconds a lap.

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Red Andy,Aug 21 2007
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But Renault had further to fall than Honda, so it's hardly a fair comparison. I would say 1st to 4th, compared with 4th to 9th is a better one.

100% spot on.

I would say 4th is better than 9th anyday. And looking at percentages, while Renault has aprox 20% of their last years total to this point of the season, Honda has about 2%. So really you could say Honda have fallen 10 times as much.
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