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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 20 2007, 08:54 AM (399 Views) | |
| dcoulthard19 | Aug 20 2007, 08:54 AM Post #1 |
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Sir Frank Williams reckons Rosberg could be the next big thing and could challenge Hamilton in the future. Do you agree? He has been very fast in the Williams this year and if he makes the right career moves then he's got a chance of winning a WDC in the future. He has learned fast and he isn't making errors like he was at times last year and seems very mature and dedicated for his young age. he has very good technical knowledge for someone so young like the qualification he ghas in reading telemetry. He has a spark about him like Kubica does. Both those two drivers will be on the lists of future team bosses in the future above most other drivers I think. |
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| Red Andy | Aug 20 2007, 09:00 AM Post #2 |
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I think Rosberg has a bright future ahead of him. The first thing that has to happen, though, is that he has to leave Williams. As much as I hate to say it, Williams are going nowhere and will probably never again win championships - even their race-winning prospects are bleak. But I agree with DC19 - if Nico makes the right career moves, he has a real chance of being a world champion, maybe more than once. But, as ever in F1, those career decisions will be the ones that matter. |
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| JOSEPH SARANDOS | Aug 20 2007, 09:08 AM Post #3 |
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WDC STANDINGS & POINTS 9. Alexander Wurz 13 12. Nico Rosberg . . 7 |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 20 2007, 09:16 AM Post #4 |
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Unfortunately, in order to fulfill your potential you need to be at one of the top teams, and their seats are all filled. True, Wurz has more points, but there are only 3 races he's looked like a good driver. Rosberg has impressed me in considerably more races than that. Rosberg has outqualified Wurz 10 times out of 11, with that 11th race being when Rosberg had a problem at Silverstone. That should be quite alarming for Wurz, seeing as he is a tester so has plenty of experience of doing single laps and so on. |
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| Red Andy | Aug 20 2007, 09:18 AM Post #5 |
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11 of Wurz's 13 points have been scored in crazy races (Canada & Europe). Rosberg was forced to pit under the safety car and got a penalty at Canada, otherwise he would have probably have beaten Wurz, and Rosberg was one of the unlucky ones to go off at Lake Nurburgring. |
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| Rams | Aug 20 2007, 09:27 AM Post #6 |
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Qualifying = 0pts. True, Rosberg has usually been faster than Wurz but Wurz is able to deliver more in the "crazy races". So unless Williams become a front running team and Rosberg can sneak into the points every race, being good in the crazy race is more important than being faster in the normal races. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 20 2007, 09:31 AM Post #7 |
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But being faster in the normal races, at a better team which I am sure he will get eventually, will net him a lot of points. After I saw his first race last season, I was sure he would be a future race winner at the very least, and I still think as much. Wurz got lucky at Canada, Rosberg like Alonso was unlucky, and I think when the first safety car came out, Rosberg was about 10 places higher than Wurz. That was all lost when he had that 10 second penalty which IMO was not deserved and should be scrapped asap. Qualifying gives no points, yes, but everyone praises Trulli for being a good qualifier. Difference is that Rosberg carries his pace into the races. The Williams isn't the 4th best car, he's flattered it on a number of occasions, IMO. |
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| Monty | Aug 20 2007, 09:36 AM Post #8 |
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Yup, when Nico went into the pits at Montreal he was in 5th ahead of Kimi. At the time Wurz was 14th, thats a big difference and dont forget that Wurz admitted that he just wasnt quick enough to get through Q1 whereas Rosberg qualified 7th. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 20 2007, 09:39 AM Post #9 |
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One final point, as I've said before, Rosberg is younger than Hamilton. He has time on his side and can only improve further. If he hadn't improved over the winter after his less than impressive finish to last season, I wouldn't think he had a future in F1, but he's the most improved driver compared to last year. Btw Trulli often has less points than Ralf, and everyone says Trulli is a lot better. If you want to see how good a driver is, you have to look beyond the points total. They can be awfully misleading. |
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| RJHSaints | Aug 20 2007, 01:35 PM Post #10 |
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There are three reasons why I'm skeptical of Rosberg and don't think the hype should be believed (at least not yet). Firstly, he was well beaten by Webber last year. This is probably the main cause of my skepticism. Several people have said that Webber is destined never to win a title or even a race, so that casts doubt on Rosberg, even if he is slightly younger. Secondly, he is still making what you might call rookie mistakes in his second season. For example, he went off 3-4 times at Bahrain, and failed to finish in the races of attrition where his best chance of points were. Thirdly, Wurz has been out of competitive F1 racing for such a long time that he's almost impossible to use as a yardstick for Rosberg. OK so we know Rosberg is probably quicker than Wurz in terms of raw pace (though I think that gap has narrowed over the course of the season) but that doesn't mean much. Fisichella was significantly faster than Wurz when Wurz last had a proper crack at F1, and whilst it is obviously possible that Wurz may have improved and Fisi worsened since then, any attempt to actually be certain of those things is doomed to failure. All three of those things considered, I don't know how anyone can possibly be tipping Rosberg to win a title yet. The fact he has time on his side doesn't change the facts above which make him completely unproven. |
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| Norbert | Aug 20 2007, 01:38 PM Post #11 |
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Nope, I reckon he's the next Button..... talks a good talk, hyped up, does the odd impressive thing in the first year, then settles down to an also-ran role for the rest of his career involving the odd contract dispute, lots of women and money, but ultimately no results worth mentioning. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 20 2007, 07:13 PM Post #12 |
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Point 1, no-one has said that last season he was that great. He started very well but then when things got tough, instead of working to improve he just kept trying too hard, resulting in a number of DNFs. You also forget that drivers can do something known as 'improving'. By his own admission last season wasn't good enough, and I think that shows in his driving. POint 2. In first race of attrition he was unfortunate in that his first stop fell under safety car conditions, and he had no alternative but to stop. He fell off the road at Nurburgring yes, and so did others. As for going off the road several times in one race, Alonso and Kimi did that in Canada. Massa had a dreadful weekend at Hungary. Heidfeld and Kubica collided inexplicably at the Nurburgring, and so on. No driver is perfect, having a bad weekend isn't rookie mistakes, because Schumacher had a few disasters even last year and he was anything but a rookie. POint 3, so what you are saying is that no-one can be used to compare him against, which is a real help. As for saying he is unproven, how many more races must he do to achieve provenship? Rosberg is one of the few drivers outside Ferrari and Mclaren to have impressed me this season. Others are the 2 BMW drivers and Sutil, and Kovalainen from the last half dozen races or so. His raw pace is the most impressive. Of course that does not mean he will go on to win the title, I haven't said as much, but I think the fact that he can score points in races of no attrition, and comfortably, not just nicking 8th due to a retirement, in a car I would rank 5th on the grid at best, shows why he is a better driver than Wurz, and one of the more underrated drivers on the grid. It's all opinion and anyone can twist the facts as much as they like in order to reach the conclusion they want to hear. But I reckon Frank Williams is correct in saying that Rosberg can be every bit as good as Hamilton, if he ever gets the chance to prove it. Norbert, when does he talk a good talk? I don't recall him ever being interviewed about anything worthwhile this season...ITV have forgotten about him, as has everyone due to Hamilton. |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Aug 20 2007, 08:42 PM Post #13 |
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Wurz crashes less than Rosberg and got very lucky once. He's a nice guy, but not a patch on Rosberg. He and De la Rosa are lifetime Testers, Rosberg is a racer and in a decent car, with a bit of experience, he will be formidable. He and Kubica are two of the most promising drivers in the paddock and I'm sure we'll see one of them in a top team in the near future. |
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| safc_fan89 | Aug 20 2007, 09:00 PM Post #14 |
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BMW IMO WILL be a top team in a few years, and Kubica is very much in favour there. |
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| RJHSaints | Aug 20 2007, 10:29 PM Post #15 |
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Point 1-Who's to say Wurz isn't simply making him look good? See my point 3. I personally don't think Rosberg has improved significantly since last year. Last year he had some pace but not the consistency, this year it seems to be same old Nico again. The thing is, Wurz is solid and reliable but not very quick. Webber was solid, reliable and quick, and beat Rosberg easily. And at this rate, Wurz is also going to beat Rosberg. Point 2-Whilst you are right that Alonso and Kimi both went off the road, both were under severe pressure from thewir team mates at the time of their mistakes and thus they are a little more understandable. Rosberg was clearly under no pressure from Wurz at the time he went off the road 3-4 times in Bahrain. I realise that everyone makes driver errors from time to time, but Rosberg does seem to make them more often than most. And if we're comparing him to Hamilton here, well, Hamilton has made only a couple of very small errors, despite the pressure of a WDC challenge and being in his rookie year. Point 3. I'm saying that Wurz isn't an accurate yardstick because we don't know how good he is and before spilling our guts at how great Rosberg's suddenly become we should wait and see how he does against a driver who's proven at the top level of F1, which Wurz sadly isn't. Although I do like Alex, I also think he's not as good as Webber even. So we should calm down before proclaiming Rosberg the next big thing because the last time he faced a proven team mate, he was beaten solidly. As for Williams being the 5th best car on the grid. Right now, I would agree that it is. Rosberg did score a lot of points early in the season, when Renault, Red Bull and Toyota were still getting their acts together. He hasn't scored for quite a few races now, and hasn't really looked like scoring. I agree it's all opinion for the time being. We will have to wait and see how Rosberg does if and when he actually gets a chance in a big team. |
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