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Ferrari; should they toss a coin
Topic Started: Aug 14 2007, 08:59 PM (371 Views)
RJHSaints
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Rob,Aug 15 2007
04:43 PM
Maybe he has to start from pole or the back to make a good drive. <think>

Really though I don't think Massa deals well with pressure. Starting at the back, there is no pressure, starting from pole, there is pressure, but not as much as starting 3rd.

I think that's a reasonable criticism but I also think Massa is improving there. Although he has wilted under the pressure once or twice this year he has also put in some strong drives under pressure.

We have to remember this is really the first season where he's actually been in a position to challenge for the title unlike Raikkonen who's had experience of many campaigns. He will get better with more tilts at the title and the speed is certainly there.

So I believe he will win at least one title with Ferrari in the coming years.
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RJHSaints,Aug 15 2007
06:13 PM
safc_fan89,Aug 15 2007
01:31 PM
He had the chance to get into the last session didn't he? He did another lap but wasted it.

The car was all over the place on that lap. If you have it on video as I do, watch it again. Massa was doing well to keep it on the road never mind make the last session.

He's in the best car. Frankly, not making it into the final session is poor. No matter how his car was handling. He should have had it set up better. You can't use inexperience as an excuse.
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Something was wrong in Hungary, Massa was driving in the dry as if it was wet and he was on slicks, the steering wheel constantly sawing on corners. Maybe he doesn't like corners.

And a lot of understeering and minor offs.
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He said that the tyres were cold, though I'm surprised it was that bad throughout his entire hot lap.
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Paul_Murtagh,Aug 15 2007
06:30 AM
There is no need for them to employ a number two driver until it is mathematically certain that one can't win the championship

20 point in six races seems pretty mathematical to me.

All I'm saying is that a united Ferrari has more of a chance of beating a divided Mclaren than a divided Ferrari and the only way to eliminate the WDC is to let fate decide which of the evenly-matched drivers gets preference (without compromising the other too much).
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Rams,Aug 15 2007
07:47 PM
He said that the tyres were cold, though I'm surprised it was that bad throughout his entire hot lap.

that suggests the car wasn't setup or tyre pressure wrong, it's a lot down to him in a way. It's not as if the Ferrari has any chronic design issues that might cause such a problem.
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Without regard to any particular driver or team, let's talk about tire temperatures. An F1 tire is at it's prime operating temperature at 100 degrees C. That is pretty hot. It's about 2.5 times the ambient temperature at Hungary.

In Massa's case, the warmers were removed (the tires are now at about 80 degrees C) and he moves away from the box. The intent is to use the out lap to generate the other other 20 degrees required to reach optimum temp.

He is stopped on exit, pushed back to the box, fueled and released with temps in the 60 degrees range.

F1 tire performance is not linear with relation to temperature, but exponiential. So, they get much better as they get hotter.

This does not explain his race performance. Perhaps it was compromised by other factors like fuel load, etc. I don't know.
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The strategy baffled me. Why load him heavy when he will lose places off the start and will have no chance of overtaking anyone? Alonso got past 2 cars, albeit past cars he lost out to at the start, so surely if Massa was fuelled lighter, it would have given him a better chance. The end result shows that this wouldn't have been a gamble.
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