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Topic Started: Jul 13 2007, 09:27 AM (647 Views)
safc_fan89
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True, but if he is going to stick around he has to go fast and stay upright.
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MotoGP

Classified:

Pos Rider Bike Time
1. Daniel Pedrosa Honda 41:53.196
2. Loris Capirossi Ducati + 13.166
3. Nicky Hayden Honda + 16.771
4. Colin Edwards Yamaha + 18.299
5. Casey Stoner Ducati + 31.426
6. Marco Melandri Honda + 31.917
7. John Hopkins Suzuki + 33.395
8. Anthony West Kawasaki + 41.194
9. Alex Hofmann Ducati + 43.214
10. Michel Fabrizio Honda + 44.459
11. Chris Vermeulen Suzuki +1:01.894
12. Kurtis Roberts KR +1:10.721
13. Makoto Tamada Yamaha + 2 laps
14. Carlos Checa Honda + 3 laps

Not classified:

Rider Bike Laps
Randy de Puniet Kawasaki 29
Shinya Nakano Honda 19
Alex Barros Ducati 9
Valentino Rossi Yamaha 5
Sylvain Guintoli Yamaha 3


Points
1.Stoner 196 2.Rossi 164 3.Pedrosa 144 4.Hopkins 103 5.Melandri 97

250cc

Classified:

Pos Rider Bike Time
1. Hiroshi Aoyama KTM 41:16.191
2. Mika Kallio KTM + 0.119
3. Alex de Angelis Aprilia + 0.274
4. Jorge Lorenzo Aprilia + 0.579
5. Andrea Dovizioso Honda + 1.296
6. Hector Barbera Aprilia + 11.851
7. Marco Simoncelli Gilera + 17.308
8. Yuki Takahashi Honda + 22.309
9. Thomas Luthi Aprilia + 28.858
10. R.Locatelli Gilera + 35.983
11. Aleix Espargaro Aprilia + 37.377
12. Shuhei Aoyama Honda + 42.211
13. Dirk Heidolf Aprilia + 51.095
14. Alex Baldolini Aprilia + 53.416
15. Jules Cluzel Aprilia + 55.996
16. Taro Sekiguchi Aprilia + 56.105
17. Alvaro Bautista Aprilia +1:07.435
18. Fabrizio Lai Aprilia +1:09.728
19. R.Wilairot Honda +1:17.640

Not classified:

Rider Bike Laps
Karel Abraham Aprilia 19
Thomas Walther Honda 19
Eugene Laverty Honda 18
Julian Simon Honda 14
Imre Toth Aprilia 13
Dan Linfoot Aprilia 4
Alvaro Molina Aprilia 4
Joshua Sommer Honda 3
Efren Vazquez Aprilia 2

Points
1.Lorenzo 191 2. De Angelis 171 3.Dovizioso 166 4. Bautista 116 5. Barbera 90

125cc

Classified:

Pos Rider Bike Time
1. Gabor Talmacsi Aprilia 39:30.802
2. Tomoyoshi Koyama KTM + 3.532
3. Hector Faubel Aprilia + 3.610
4. Simone Corsi Aprilia + 4.444
5. R.Krummenacher KTM + 11.851
6. Lukas Pesek Derbi + 11.920
7. Sandro Cortese Aprilia + 17.271
8. Bradley Smith Honda + 19.484
9. Pablo Nieto Aprilia + 20.950
10. Michael Ranseder Derbi + 22.628
11. Joan Olive Aprilia + 26.044
12. Esteve Rabat Honda + 27.096
13. Stefan Bradl Aprilia + 42.805
14. Georg Frohlich Honda + 43.503
15. Mike Di Meglio Honda + 44.402
16. Stefano Bianco Aprilia + 46.386
17. Robert Muresan Derbi + 53.208
18. Steve Bonsey KTM + 53.719
19. Alexis Masbou Honda + 53.739
20. R.Tamburini Aprilia + 53.887
21. D.Aegerter Aprilia +1:00.165
22. Nicolas Terol Derbi +1:00.625
23. Federico Sandi Aprilia +1:09.928
24. Andrea Iannone Aprilia +1:16.082
25. H.van den Berg Aprilia +1:18.721
26. Eric Hubsch Aprilia +1:18.836
27. Daniel Webb Honda +1:27.243
28. Lorenzo Zanetti Aprilia + 1 lap
29. Sebastian Eckner Honda + 1 lap

Not classified:

Rider Bike Laps
Sergio Gadea Aprilia 26
Joey Litjens Honda 25
S.G.Giorgi Aprilia 15
Mattia Pasini Aprilia 11
Raffaele De Rosa Aprilia 8
Patrick Unger Aprilia 1
Pol Espargaro Aprilia 1
Dino Lombardi Honda DNS

Points

1.Talmasci 156 2.Faubel 154 3.Koyama 118 4.Pesek 113 5.Corsi 110


Not exactly a wheel to wheel fight for the win, but very significant. Dani Pedrosa and Honda have stopped their season being a complete disaster.

But Rossi must be kicking himself, of course he couldn't have known that Stoner and some other Bridgestone bikes were going to struggle at the end, but he could have made some serious points back up today.

He's got lucky in some ways though. If Stoner had taken second he'd have one hand on the title. But still 31 points will be hard to pull back if Stoner doesn't have any accidents.

Hayden must be thinking he has a chance at Laguna Seca next week.
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Rossi can well consider what might have been. Much as I hate to say it, but looking at the way Stoner has been riding so far, a 31 point advantage will be very very hard to pull back.
Rossi lost last years title on a mistake, history may have just repeated itself.
But, Rossi's surely going to put in a strong effort in the rest of the season, which should make for good viewing <thumbsup>
I was very happy to see Loris on the podium again, he's had a strangely subdued season so far.
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Rossi's got to believe that Stoner will go down at one of the remaining races. What is really worrying for Rossi is that Stoner is outscoring him in Michelin Yamaha country and once we get past the summer break it's Bridgestone Ducati land-Brno, Motegi, Sepang.

I know Rossi won Sepang last year, but I think this year would be trickier.
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I guess it would depend whether Honda's pace in the last race was just a flash in the pan or if it is a sign of things to come. If they continue to race at the front, it makes things slightly easier for Rossi.

One thing though, why does he mnake such dreadful starts? It always puts him on the back foot.
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yeah, I agree with safc fan on Rossi's starts.

His starts are really costing at the moment and Sunday was a good example of that, he is giving himself too much to do at times, if he had made a good start and moved up 2 or 3 places then obviously things would have been different. Maybe he should work more on his starts

In the past when Rossi's opposition was more lightweight so it wasn't problem as they were all scared of him and he got past them and often hung back for most of the race.

But his opposition this season take no prisoners at all as Stoner showed Rossi in Catalunya earlier in the year. In fact there are great riders throughout the moto GP field now.

The championship gap is 31 points, the gap is going up and the number of rounds left are going down, its starting to become a bit dangerous for Rossi, How will the press take to Rossi being beaten to the championship by Stoner, Hayden last season had some fortune(even though it was Rossi's error that handed him the championship in the last race). If Stoner were to win this year I think it would be well deserved.
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dcoulthard19,Jul 17 2007
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yeah, I agree with safc fan on Rossi's starts.

His starts are really costing at the moment and Sunday was a good example of that, he is giving himself too much to do at times, if he had made a good start and moved up 2 or 3 places then obviously things would have been different. Maybe he should work more on his starts

In the past when Rossi's opposition was more lightweight so it wasn't problem as they were all scared of him and he got past them and often hung back for most of the race.

But his opposition this season take no prisoners at all as Stoner showed Rossi in Catalunya earlier in the year. In fact there are great riders throughout the moto GP field now.

The championship gap is 31 points, the gap is going up and the number of rounds left are going down, its starting to become a bit dangerous for Rossi, How will the press take to Rossi being beaten to the championship by Stoner, Hayden last season had some fortune(even though it was Rossi's error that handed him the championship in the last race). If Stoner were to win this year I think it would be well deserved.

Could be as simple as the Yamaha hasn't got as good a launch control as Honda, Ducati etc?
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You can't fluke a Championship win so yes it would be deserved.

The point I make about Rossi is because he fell off trying to pass de Puniet. Had he made a good start, he would have been ahead of him after lap 1 anyway. It just seems stupid, especially when you have several riders at the front who would be hard to overtake at the best of times!
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Could be as simple as the Yamaha hasn't got as good a launch control as Honda, Ducati etc


Then Yamaha must have a pretty poor launch control system if that is the case.

But its not just the getaways, its how Rossi sometimes gets eaten up by pack in the first couple of corners and that isn't down to launch control.

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dcoulthard19,Jul 17 2007
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Could be as simple as the Yamaha hasn't got as good a launch control as Honda, Ducati etc


Then Yamaha must have a pretty poor launch control system if that is the case.

But its not just the getaways, its how Rossi sometimes gets eaten up by pack in the first couple of corners and that isn't down to launch control.

True <think>
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Well, we all know how Rossi likes a good fight, it might not be a subconscious desire to spend the race battling??
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It's not going to win him the title this season though, is it...
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He's got seven world titles, that was enough for MS to lose interest after two year of not winning.... Maybe Vale doesn't have the motivation?
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Looking at some of his rides this season, I doubt its lack of motivation thats Rossi's problem.
He was counting on closing the points gap on the tracks that have traditionally favoured Michellin. Thats not happened, so its going to be an uphill battle in the rest of the races for him to win. Then again, who's to say that he won't come good on the B'Stone friendly tracks.
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safc_fan89,Jul 15 2007
09:38 AM
True, but if he is going to stick around he has to go fast and stay upright.

So he's off drag racing then? ;)
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