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Engine freeze limits exciting racing?
Topic Started: Mar 7 2007, 08:07 AM (149 Views)
Mrs Shrek
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The likes of Mark Webber and Felipe Massa have expressed concern that the 19,000 rpm rev-limit, introduced for the start of the so called 'engine freeze' era in 2007, will further limit the prospects of exciting racing and contribute to races being mere processions.


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You think??
The FIA likes nice evenly spaced processions. Makes life so much easier for the sponsors and TV crews <fu>
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Hard to say really. Wait and see what happens in the first race, I guess.
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Not just the "impossible to get in the slipstream" bit, but also the reliability of all the engines can only improve.

The two-race rule already damaged the sport by forcing the manufacturers towards reliability rather than outright speed, and now this finishes the whole thing off.

Engine failures will soon be a thing of the past, and OK purists may argue that this means that the driver is more important, but I was brought up in the eighties and nineties where there was genuine excitement and suspense in the last 10 laps of the race, with Murray W publicly wondering if the car would make it to the line.

Call me old fashioned but I like a bit of unpredictability.
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GordonB,Mar 7 2007
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Not just the "impossible to get in the slipstream" bit, but also the reliability of all the engines can only improve.

The two-race rule already damaged the sport by forcing the manufacturers towards reliability rather than outright speed, and now this finishes the whole thing off.

Engine failures will soon be a thing of the past, and OK purists may argue that this means that the driver is more important, but I was brought up in the eighties and nineties where there was genuine excitement and suspense in the last 10 laps of the race, with Murray W publicly wondering if the car would make it to the line.

Call me old fashioned but I like a bit of unpredictability.

Spot on!!!

You had that tension right to the end, there was always a chance of a breakdown or the car runnig out of fuel. Now its just all a bit <sleep> after the last pit stops
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yup, now that all the cars are likely to finish they need to fix the rules to allow them to finish genuinely fighting each other.

boost buttons might be the answer, say eight 15 second blasts up to 21,000 revs ??

i feel the need to mention that having cars with different levels of power doesn't make for more exciting racing, it simply spreads out the field. it is only an advantage to the teams with more power to get ahead of cars with less, like in lapping a backmarker.

also wanting fragile cars is just asking for sadness, not exactly a buddhist philosophy.
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SPEED BOOSTS ARE NOT THE ANSWER

That makes the racing unnatural and it would make things easier for the driver, another driver aid!!!

Also when the car in front sees a car trying to boost past him he will put his boost on and no move will happen.

Bring back slicks and change the aero a little bit, Some of the tracks are still good for overtaking though but the aero has made it harder at places like silverstone.
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Speed boosts would work if they were turbo boosts <thumbs>
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dcoulthard19,Mar 7 2007
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SPEED BOOSTS ARE NOT THE ANSWER

That makes the racing unnatural and it would make things easier for the driver, another driver aid!!!

Also when the car in front sees a car trying to boost past him he will put his boost on and no move will happen.

Bring back slicks and change the aero a little bit, Some of the tracks are still good for overtaking though but the aero has made it harder at places like silverstone.

DC, on one level I completely agree with you, anything artificial should be avoided (I would still prefer manual 'boxes and no fly by wire for example), but another way of looking at it would be that the driver would actually temporarily switch OFF a driver aid, the rev limiter.

looked at from that perspective, maybe it is closer to what we're looking for.

also if the booster were quick enough and big enough the guy in front is eventually going to trip over himself watching the mirrors trying to anticipate his adversary's actions.
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None of this would matter if they just changed the points to make it worthwhile overtaking.

We don't need artificial boosts or driver aids or artificially tweaked rules, just make it worth their while to overtake - then the drivers would actually have to TRY to overtake and we'd see some moves.

The points were changed to make the championship last longer into the season when MS was winning everything. That works to make people who come second still have a mathematical chance of winning. But if you made it 20 points for a win and 12 for second, then the rewards for winning would make it worthwhile making a daring overtaking move, even at the risk of going off.
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GordonB,Mar 7 2007
09:11 AM
None of this would matter if they just changed the points to make it worthwhile overtaking.

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100% correct!!!! The point differential is just not worth the risk. A new points system is needed IMO, one that rewards finishing high and beating other guys. I don't like the current system because there are to many drivers getting points. Only the top 5-7 should get points, and the difference between them should be worth it!
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