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JPM Wins In NASCAR
Topic Started: Mar 5 2007, 10:49 AM (594 Views)
stradlin24
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John,Mar 5 2007
11:59 PM
I have always wondered what happened to Tomas Scheckter after being fired from his testing role with the Jaguar Racing Formula 1 team in 2001 for off-track misdemeanours

he went to race in the IRL for Cheever

Cheever fired him

he went to race in the IRL for Chip Ganassi

Chip Ganassi fired him

he went to race in the IRL for Panther

they ran out of money

he now races in the IRL for Vision Racing

he had great talent, great skill but he loses concentration too much and can be a liability
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Rob,Mar 5 2007
11:51 PM
I think rather than say overtaking on an oval is easy, perhaps to say it is unspectacular might be a better fit, after all nothing at 190+ is going to be easy.

Overtaking on ovals seems easy because it happens a lot. It's somewhat like a peloton or a flock of birds. The pack shuffles around, but the best cars and drivers get to the front. The aero, the slipping and sliding of cars around you, and the manouvering for position is constantly changing.

Basketball and oval racing are similar in that the lead changes often, but you must maintain contact if you hope to win. Yellow flags help to keep everyone in contact.

Indy 500 - 33 cars, 3 wide, 11 rows, 230 MPH- A great and exciting moment. Or, 126 MPH at 1/2 mile Bristol Tenn.
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DavidColthard202,Mar 5 2007
11:19 AM
stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
12:19 PM
let me put this into pespective for you

he won a BUSCH series race

the Busch Series is the NASCAR second tier, it doesn;t have the quality of the Nextel Cup and alot of his rivals in Nextel Cup weren't racing in the Busch race

he also won on a road course, where he is more at home AND he had to take off his teammate to do it!

I doubt many other nascar drivers could win after dropping to 21st whith only 2o laps remaining. GO JPM!

maybe so, but JPM's teammate, Scott Pruitt, went from 17th up to 5th in the closing laps after JPM put him back there with less than 10 laps to go.
Give them another 5 laps of racing and maybe he'd have "returned the favour" ;)
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
11:43 PM
theghostofnuvolari,Mar 5 2007
10:43 PM
I know overtaking is easy peasy on the ovals, but from what I've seen overtaking on a road course is as difficult for a NASCAR or Champ car as it is for a BTCC saloon or A1.

To me that makes it quite an achievement. JPM rocks !!

overtaking on ovals isn't as easy as you think

and neither is driving on ovals

JPM has set good laps when he has been out on his own but he is having massive problems running in groups of cars because of the way the aero's work

its extremley hard to master and some never do

but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views

you patronising sod. you've no idea what i think, nor my history, so don't tell me what i don't know about overtaking and ovals versus road racing.

"overtaking seems easy because it happens a lot". ergo it is easier, which doesn't mean easy.

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you shouldn't get so defensive, when someone clearly isn't being totally serious.

read between the lines. if overtaking happens a lot more on ovals, then it happens less on road courses, therefore jpm's achievement is more significant because it happened on a road course. it's a fact, not really up for debate.

maybe the problem is you don't know enough about road course racing.

can you tell me what i wrote that sounded snobbish ?
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 6 2007
01:29 AM
"overtaking seems easy because it happens a lot". ergo it is easier, which doesn't mean easy.

<clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap>

you shouldn't get so defensive, when someone clearly isn't being totally serious.

read between the lines. if overtaking happens a lot more on ovals, then it happens less on road courses, therefore jpm's achievement is more significant because it happened on a road course. it's a fact, not really up for debate.

maybe the problem is you don't know enough about road course racing.

Ghost, I agree with you. I'm from the US and have a little history myself. I've been to many oval races (Indy, Daytona, Talledega), I've been to many road races (Nascar at Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca ALMS, LeMans, F1 in 6 countries) and I appreciate the skill required to race all types of cars.

Montoya and Pruett both had great runs. They are road course specialists.

By the way, I liked your last post before you edited and removed your detailed history.
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hey flood1, thanks, and thanks !

there'll hopefully be good places to talk about the mischief some of us have got up to on our weekends off. nomad, for example, i know has great stories...! :D
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timmadigan,Mar 6 2007
01:19 AM
DavidColthard202,Mar 5 2007
11:19 AM
stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
12:19 PM
let me put this into pespective for you

he won a BUSCH series race

the Busch Series is the NASCAR second tier, it doesn;t have the quality of the Nextel Cup and alot of his rivals in Nextel Cup weren't racing in the Busch race

he also won on a road course, where he is more at home AND he had to take off his teammate to do it!

I doubt many other nascar drivers could win after dropping to 21st whith only 2o laps remaining. GO JPM!

maybe so, but JPM's teammate, Scott Pruitt, went from 17th up to 5th in the closing laps after JPM put him back there with less than 10 laps to go.
Give them another 5 laps of racing and maybe he'd have "returned the favour" ;)

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Norbert,Mar 5 2007
02:54 PM
stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
12:19 PM
let me put this into pespective for you

he won a BUSCH series race

the Busch Series is the NASCAR second tier, it doesn;t have the quality of the Nextel Cup and alot of his rivals in Nextel Cup weren't racing in the Busch race

he also won on a road course, where he is more at home AND he had to take off his teammate to do it!

However, they did state that many Nextel Cup drivers *were* in the race.....

Still, let's see what happens when the Cup comes to a road course....


some of the names that DID NOT race in the Busch race that JPM won


no Tony Stewart, no Dale Earnhardt Jr, no Mark Martin, no Kevin Harvick, no Kasey Kahne, no Kurt Busch, no Kyle Busch, no Jeff Gordon, no Jimmie Johnson, no Matt Kenseth, no Jeff Burton, no Clint Bowyer, no Brian Vickers, no David Stremme, no Ricky Rudd, no Casey Mears, no Ryan Newman and I could go on!

he was against a weak field,

come back with JPM arguments when he wins a Nextel Cup race ( a REAL NASCAR race)

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What's this thread doing in F1, can someone please move it to where it belongs? As it's a thread about JPM you won't be surprised to know that it keeps crashing my browser.

Just joking of course.
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John
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So my point about JPM racing in NASCAR being a good thing if it brings more F1 fans across to watch is ignored...


It seems I'll stick with what I know.... can't be arsed with point scoring.... there is plenty of that in F1 threads....

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Er John if the last comment was aimed at me please note that I didn't intend to offend. Can't say I am much interested in NASCAR but I'm not criticising it.

Just a joke about a non F1 topic in the F1 section and JPMs race craft.
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The comment was not aimed at anyone... just an observation...

It seems that rather than welcome a former F1 driver to Nascar and see the potential for broadening the fan base with JPM fans from F1...


He.... and F1 get slagged off........... some welcome is all I was saying...


It is tiresome and not what I want to waste my time with


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TheCompleteGuitarist,Mar 6 2007
01:00 PM
What's this thread doing in F1, can someone please move it to where it belongs? As it's a thread about JPM you won't be surprised to know that it keeps crashing my browser.

Just joking of course.

It's here in F1 because while F1 fans relish the idea of exporting their drivers to other series and then discussing it, the fans of other series, well, don't seem to relish it in quite the same way.

this isn't a thread for nascar enthusiasts, patently, it's a thread for f1 enthusiasts.

unfortunately.
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 6 2007
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Mar 6 2007
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What's this thread doing in F1, can someone please move it to where it belongs? As it's a thread about JPM you won't be surprised to know that it keeps crashing my browser.

Just joking of course.

It's here in F1 because while F1 fans relish the idea of exporting their drivers to other series and then discussing it, the fans of other series, well, don't seem to relish it in quite the same way.

this isn't a thread for nascar enthusiasts, patently, it's a thread for f1 enthusiasts.

unfortunately.

nope

f1 fans slag off other series and have snobbish attitudes towards

like has been admitted, lots of f1 fans have little understanding or knowledge of other series yet they still pass comment on the quality of them

despite knowing nothing about them through their own ignorance

I am a motorsport fan and I know about other series and what people should understand before they slag off the quality of NASCAR is that JPM wasn’t racing in the real nascar championship, he was racing in the second tier championship againsts second tier drivers

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stradlin22,Mar 6 2007
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 6 2007
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Mar 6 2007
01:00 PM
What's this thread doing in F1, can someone please move it to where it belongs? As it's a thread about JPM you won't be surprised to know that it keeps crashing my browser.

Just joking of course.

It's here in F1 because while F1 fans relish the idea of exporting their drivers to other series and then discussing it, the fans of other series, well, don't seem to relish it in quite the same way.

this isn't a thread for nascar enthusiasts, patently, it's a thread for f1 enthusiasts.

unfortunately.

nope

f1 fans slag off other series and have snobbish attitudes towards

like has been admitted, lots of f1 fans have little understanding or knowledge of other series yet they still pass comment on the quality of them

despite knowing nothing about them through their own ignorance

I am a motorsport fan and I know about other series and what people should understand before they slag off the quality of NASCAR is that JPM wasn’t racing in the real nascar championship, he was racing in the second tier championship againsts second tier drivers

As the NASCAR website mentions, he's the first latino to ever win a race, that is enough of a reason to celebrate, and to do it in Mexico and dedicate it to the latino fans, well that's just icing on the cake.

And so now he's shown he can beat all so-called second tier drivers, the only one's he has left to beat are the best of the best. You mentioned:

Tony Stewart, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Mark Martin, Kevin Harvick, Kasey Kahne, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth, Jeff Burton, Clint Bowyer, Brian Vickers, David Stremme, Ricky Rudd, Casey Mears, Ryan Newman.

Now in qualifying at Daytona Jeff Gordon, Kasey Kahne, Mark Martin, Kevin Harvick, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Clint Bowyer, Martin Truex, and Jeff Burton were faster than JPM.

And Tony Stewart, Kyle Busch, Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, David Stremme, Brian Vickers, Ricky Rudd, Casey Mears, Ryan Newman were slower than JPM.

Of course qualifying isn't racing, F1 fans know that too, but for outright speed it seems that JPM only has eight drivers to worry about, not seventeen. At least on the superspeedways, probably fewer on the road courses, and who know's on the short ovals.

BTW this isn't slagging anything or anyone off, it's just objectively listing facts.
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