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JPM Wins In NASCAR
Topic Started: Mar 5 2007, 10:49 AM (595 Views)
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
04:27 PM
DavidColthard202,Mar 5 2007
04:19 PM
stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
12:19 PM
let me put this into pespective for you

he won a BUSCH series race

the Busch Series is the NASCAR second tier, it doesn;t have the quality of the Nextel Cup and alot of his rivals in Nextel Cup weren't racing in the Busch race

he also won on a road course, where he is more at home AND he had to take off his teammate to do it!

I doubt many other nascar drivers could win after dropping to 21st whith only 2o laps remaining. GO JPM!

obviously you don't ever watch NASCAR then!

No not really, but im sure anyone can realise overtaking 20 odd cars in 20 laps to win a race is pretty special you just cant admit that an average f1 driver could do very well in Nascar <thumbs>
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Stradlin, You really do seem to be extremely defensive regarding anything negitive or anything against your opinion with regards to American motorsport, I understand that you HATE F1, but the standard in F1 driving at the sharp end is LIGHT years from anything in America, FACT! I however am not slagging off Nascar standards, some of the drivers are extremely talented (I highlight some). It just a shame that pretty much EVERY single seater driver in America would chop off their writing hand to get a chance to drive in F1.

I apologise in advance for saying something negitive about your beloved American motorsport.....
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craggle78,Mar 5 2007
04:45 PM
Stradlin, You really do seem to be extremely defensive regarding anything negitive or anything against your opinion with regards to American motorsport, I also understand that you HATE F1, but the standard in F1 driving at the sharp end is LIGHT years from anything in America, FACT! I however am not slagging off Nascar standards,  some of the drivers are extremely talented (I highlight some). It just a shame that pretty much EVERY single seater driver in America would chop off their writing hand to get a chance to drive in F1.

I apologise for saying something negitive about your beloved American motorsport.....

whats negative about that!

its the truth!

i know full well the quality of driving in f1, but that doesn't mean the racing is better <thumbs>
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
04:33 PM
The Saint,Mar 5 2007
04:29 PM
I think JPM will do well once he has settled in. There is no doubt in my mind that the standard of driving is higher in F1 than any of the American Series (IRL, Champ Car and Nascar). Although I love watching IRL and Champ Car (and NASCAR), only a fool would say that any more than 1 in 100 are good enough from those series to be considered for an F1 career.

With Yuji Ide being a fine example of those great driving standards!

roflmao

There are exceptions to all rules Stradders. There have been F1 drivers who have only got into the series because of their personal wealth or the amount of sponsorship they have brought with them. And there have been drivers brought into the series because a certain country who supplies cars or engines want their countrymen in the series.
What I was talking about, are the drivers there by merit, and not the ones there by cash or country.
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
04:48 PM


i know full well the quality of driving in f1, but that doesn't mean the racing is better  <thumbs>


Much as I wish I couldn't agree, I feel myself agreeing with you.......

70 laps round Magny-Cours is enough to put even the most devoted F1 fan to sleep.....

Hey it might rain though and the snorefest could be spared?! <suicide>

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It’s unfortunate, but because of the nature of the cars, but overtaking in F1 can be very difficult indeed. I recall on many occasions where I have watched a F1 race on a Sunday morning and then an IRL or CC in the afternoon and enjoyed the latter a lot more.
But this unfortunate situation is mainly down to the design/specs of the F1 cars, unfortunately the FIA took the soul out of F1 in the name of safety!
You see so many overtaking situations in IRL/NASCAR mainly because it is 20 times easier to overtake. Even when a car is as fast as you, you can get close and the tow from the leading vehicle will give you the extra speed to get by.
But at the end of the day, and getting back on topic, I wish JPM well and hope he sets the NASCAR world on fire.
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Rather than have a pop at JPM.....

(after all if he is crap and he is winning.... what does that say about the guy's he is racing against <cool> )

Surly if his participation in NASCAR means some of his F1 fans take more notice of car racing in the US outside of the USAGP....

Then that has to be a good thing..... yes! <thumbs>
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I know overtaking is easy peasy on the ovals, but from what I've seen overtaking on a road course is as difficult for a NASCAR or Champ car as it is for a BTCC saloon or A1.

To me that makes it quite an achievement. JPM rocks !!
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John,Mar 5 2007
12:13 PM
I may be a lone voice but I wish he was still in F1.... glad he is taking to NASCAR so readily....

He may still bag the Daytona 500 after he has had a full season... this year was too soon.

Could'nt stand him. He wrecked more cars (not a single accident his fault of course) and had no class.
Just ask this guy filming someone else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Rk7UZWISY
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 5 2007
10:43 PM
I know overtaking is easy peasy on the ovals, but from what I've seen overtaking on a road course is as difficult for a NASCAR or Champ car as it is for a BTCC saloon or A1.

To me that makes it quite an achievement. JPM rocks !!

overtaking on ovals isn't as easy as you think

and neither is driving on ovals

JPM has set good laps when he has been out on his own but he is having massive problems running in groups of cars because of the way the aero's work

its extremley hard to master and some never do

but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
11:43 PM
but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views

which is why I said I think it is a good thing JPM has switched.... he has some fans left in F1 and they (like me) will watch him in NASCAR whenever possible...

It can only be good for broadening the appeal.... that's how i see it anyway.
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
05:43 PM
but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views

A little on the harsh side don't you think?

I don't recall anyone ever saying NASCAR was easy. People don't get paid million of dollars to do something that is easy. Then again Dale Jr. did once remark that at some tracks the car will drive itself.

I think rather than say overtaking on an oval is easy, perhaps to say it is unspectacular might be a better fit, after all nothing at 190+ is going to be easy.
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Rob,Mar 5 2007
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
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but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views

A little on the harsh side don't you think?

I don't recall anyone ever saying NASCAR was easy. People don't get paid million of dollars to do something that is easy. Then again Dale Jr. did once remark that at some tracks the car will drive itself.

I think rather than say overtaking on an oval is easy, perhaps to say it is unspectacular might be a better fit, after all nothing at 190+ is going to be easy.

i have to fight off the snobbish f1 fan attitude sometimes you know! <thumbs>

Overtaking on ovals can be very spectacular

especially of your name is Sam Hornish Jr or Tomas Scheckter, overtaking on the high side just inches from a concrete wall! lunacy!
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
05:54 PM
Rob,Mar 5 2007
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stradlin22,Mar 5 2007
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but i'd never expect f1 fans to understand it or have any tolerance of oval racing so I see your views

A little on the harsh side don't you think?

I don't recall anyone ever saying NASCAR was easy. People don't get paid million of dollars to do something that is easy. Then again Dale Jr. did once remark that at some tracks the car will drive itself.

I think rather than say overtaking on an oval is easy, perhaps to say it is unspectacular might be a better fit, after all nothing at 190+ is going to be easy.

i have to fight off the snobbish f1 fan attitude sometimes you know! <thumbs>

Overtaking on ovals can be very spectacular

especially of your name is Sam Hornish Jr or Tomas Scheckter, overtaking on the high side just inches from a concrete wall! lunacy!

No doubt it takes large brass ones to do so, and these guys are very talented (yes even NASCAR drivers). But oval racing passes just are not my bag of chips. IRL and NASCAR just don't interest me until the final 5 laps or so.

And if you hate fighting off snobbish F1 fans, there is a house next door to me that is for sale, I can guarantee you will never have to do so again (unless I come over and visit :D)
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I have always wondered what happened to Tomas Scheckter after being fired from his testing role with the Jaguar Racing Formula 1 team in 2001 for off-track misdemeanours
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