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Ferrari ignores tobbaco ad ban
Topic Started: Mar 1 2007, 10:56 PM (586 Views)
Norbert
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Erm, doesn't alcohol abuse destroy your liver, and make you violent and unpredictable? The only good thing about alcoholics as opposed to smokers is that you can't passively destroy someone elses lliver, but non smokers can still get lung cancer from being around smokers.....
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As I understand, from a money point of view, Philip Morris is the only sponsor (suppliers aside, I would guess) who actually pay Ferrari. Apparently, they lease the entire bodywork space not required by the team for their own purposes, and actually sub let the advert space to whoever wants it.
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Norbert,Mar 2 2007
12:20 PM
...they lease the entire bodywork space not required by the team for their own purposes, and actually sub let the advert space to whoever wants it.

and that was a reason Vodafone jumped ship to McLaren... they could negociate more car coverage for their Euro...
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Norbert,Mar 2 2007
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Erm, doesn't alcohol abuse destroy your liver, and make you violent and unpredictable? The only good thing about alcoholics as opposed to smokers is that you can't passively destroy someone elses lliver, but non smokers can still get lung cancer from being around smokers.....

Yes excessive alcohol use causes problems, but 99.99% of drinkers don't have these problems. Excess of anything can be bad.

The problem of smoking is that even the lightest of smokest can still develop cancer and you don't even have to smoke to have ciggarettes harm you, just ask Roy Castle's family.
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I don't understand what Marlboro are getting ou of theor sponsorship deal with Ferrari...but it's their choice. I think if anyone smoked a brand of fag, or just started to because an F1 car is sponsored by that brand, then they are pretty stupid.

Maybe Ferrari should put 'Smoking Kills' as a slogan.
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safc_fan89,Mar 2 2007
12:55 PM
I don't understand what Marlboro are getting ou of theor sponsorship deal with Ferrari...but it's their choice. I think if anyone smoked a brand of fag, or just started to because an F1 car is sponsored by that brand, then they are pretty stupid.

Maybe Ferrari should put 'Smoking Kills' as a slogan.

ferrari will run in marlboro red and white, looking like a giant pack of fags, essentially. remember the marlboro mclarens, even without the sponsors name on the car, you could still pretty much guess who the title sponsor was.
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well i'm 40, still stupidly smoking, though maybe 3 or 4 cigarettes a day, and interestingly stopped smoking Marlboro because their flavour here in brazil is rotton, but i still felt a slight loss of cool buying Carlton, who sponsor nobody interesting.

brand awareness, brand loyalty, brand image... whatever you want to call it, if you stick your product in front of my face next to something stylish there's a part of my brain that will want it.

it's like men's response to adverts with hot chicks selling beer never realising it's actually an either/or option :D
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AndyW76,Mar 2 2007
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Norbert,Mar 2 2007
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Erm, doesn't alcohol abuse destroy your liver, and make you violent and unpredictable?  The only good thing about alcoholics as opposed to smokers is that you can't passively destroy someone elses lliver, but non smokers can still get lung cancer from being around smokers.....

Yes excessive alcohol use causes problems, but 99.99% of drinkers don't have these problems. Excess of anything can be bad.

The problem of smoking is that even the lightest of smokest can still develop cancer and you don't even have to smoke to have ciggarettes harm you, just ask Roy Castle's family.

0.01% of drinkers have problems.... while I fully agree it will be a 'minority' who will have problems.... I do think it will quite a bit higher than that...

In the UK with an adult population of about 40,000,000 give or take... and not all drinkers... 0.01% is only 4000 people with drink problems.... if only that where the case...


but we are venturing off topic a bit... <thumbs>

as I said Tobacco is only the beginning... Alcohol ban will follow.... ;-)
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AndyW76,Mar 2 2007
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safc_fan89,Mar 2 2007
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I don't understand what Marlboro are getting ou of theor sponsorship deal with Ferrari...but it's their choice. I think if anyone smoked a brand of fag, or just started to because an F1 car is sponsored by that brand, then they are pretty stupid.

Maybe Ferrari should put 'Smoking Kills' as a slogan.

ferrari will run in marlboro red and white, looking like a giant pack of fags, essentially. remember the marlboro mclarens, even without the sponsors name on the car, you could still pretty much guess who the title sponsor was.

There's no white on their car, except a few logos, so that doesn't work. But if there is no correlation between their car and a pack of fags, perhaps that's a good thing.

I wouldn't have had a clue because I pay no attention to cigarette packs. No need to.
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I may have come to the discussion late, but unless there is a rule in F1 against tobacco sponsors, why would having Marlboro on the car be ignoring a ban if they only do it where it is legal?
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I think you all underestimate the effect of alcohol on the human body and pay no heed to the social effect.
Maybe booze does not screw with you as much as fags, but it certainly can mess with your heart, liver and other organs including your brain.
And then there is the social effects, family abuse and drink driving to name but two.
But I wonder why the FIA has not just banned tobacco advertising themselves. Smoking is a horrible habit and it is a very difficult one to give up, it took me 26 years! I still have a beer or two though!
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I'm 5' 6" 150 lbs. and had a large burger for lunch. A 5' 6" 250 lb. guy next to me had a burger too. I drink, he doesn't.

Ban beef!
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The Saint,Mar 2 2007
03:17 PM
I think you all underestimate the effect of alcohol on the human body and pay no heed to the social effect.
Maybe booze does not screw with you as much as fags, but it certainly can mess with your heart, liver and other organs including your brain.
And then there is the social effects, family abuse and drink driving to name but two.
But I wonder why the FIA has not just banned tobacco advertising themselves. Smoking is a horrible habit and it is a very difficult one to give up, it took me 26 years! I still have a beer or two though!

But does having such items on a race car really affect one's consumption of said products? I didn't start smoking because of racing adverts, and I never smoked Marlboros, and I started drinking Fosters before I knew it was associated w/ F1, and I never recall seeing Guinness on an F1 car.

I think people are overestimating the effectiveness of advertising and marketing. If someone makes a decision that they are or are not going to smoke or drink having the name of those products on cars won't make them do it, all adverts go for is brand recognition. If someone wants to buy a certain type of product they see a name they know. All the advertising in the world won't do a bit of good if people didn't want the product in the first place.
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Rob,Mar 2 2007
09:34 PM
I think people are overestimating the effectiveness of advertising and marketing...

Not so Rob... Subliminal advertising is very real and effective....


And as I've said before....

If advertising was ineffective the Tobacco, Alcohol, Oil, Computer, whatever companies would not invest the billions every year they do...


That would make no economic sense... at least to me anyway.
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John,Mar 2 2007
10:59 PM
Rob,Mar 2 2007
09:34 PM
I think people are overestimating the effectiveness of advertising and marketing...

Not so Rob... Subliminal advertising is very real and effective....


And as I've said before....

If advertising was ineffective the Tobacco, Alcohol, Oil, Computer, whatever companies would not invest the billions every year they do...


That would make no economic sense... at least to me anyway.

Rob is right. I don't buy more oil because of Shell being on the Ferrari. I buy as little as I need, but I buy Shell instead of BP. I don't buy more smokes because of Marlboro being on the Ferrari. I just buy them rather than Export A. I don't buy more salt because Mortons advertise salt.

However, it may seem acceptable to buy Johnnie Walker and drink it because of an advert on a F1 car or whatever. There is influence. That is the world we live in. Who decides that trans fats are bad. I do . They don't! Who are THEY? My Mum?

No more McDonalds because people are fat. Tofu for everyone. No exercise machines because people get repetative stress injuries. No nothing because life causes death.
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