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The number of Kimi bashers has risen massively; Reasons?
Topic Started: Mar 1 2007, 10:48 AM (819 Views)
theghostofnuvolari
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as a counterpoint to the alonso / kimi analogies...

while i think i agree, the differences aren't necessarily as great as the last two seasons might suggest, certainly not as great as the senna prost differences.

am i the only one that thinks the descriptions might have been reversed if, in 2005, kimi was the one with the car that never quit, resulting in a bag full of wins/points early in the season and only needing to regularly finish on the podium to win the championship ?

i remember everyone calling alonso boring in his first championship because he stated he didn't need to fight for wins...
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Those of you who look at Alonso as a Prost and Raikkonen as a Senna either:-

a/ Don’t know what you are talking about

b/ Never watched Senna, Prost, Alonso or Raikkonen.

Fernando Alonso is nothing at all like Prost, and though the comparison may make some of you go 'ahhhhhhhh' with nostalgia, it's completely wrong. Alonso is a great racer and in my opinion, faster than Raikkonen. I would love to see Alonso and Raikkonen in the same car, I would bet a months wages that the Spaniard would come out comfortably on top.
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I guess we are used to this now but our drivers have the knowledge that they will be the most revered drivers in F1 and that the Tifosi will love them come rain or shine.

And this comment about the Tifosi supporting Raikkonen come rain or shine…..well I am sorry mate, but the Italian supporters are the most fickle going. Oh yeah they supported Schumacher…..but they had good reason to didn’t they!
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agreed on the tifosi. they are fans of ferrari, and only fans of the driver to the extent that they make ferrari look good...
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Hence why Ferrari fans loved Mansell and Schumacher so much, but weren't too hot on Capelli!

To answer the OP, I have never really rated Kimi as high as, say, Alonso, and although I will admit that Ferrari are far from my favourite team, any "increase in Kimi-bashing" from over here has come as a response to people increasingly talking Kimi up, and not because I want him to fail now he's at Ferrari. On the contrary - I'd like to see Kimi do well, but I just don't think he has the consistency.
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regarding the senna prost analogies, i don't think anyone is stupid enough to say they are the same, they are only saying that alonso appears to be a bit smoother, and a reliable finisher if unspectacular which is a bit like prost, whereas kimi is more balls to the wall and spectacular, which would better describe senna when compared to prost.

there is an element of truth, but senna and prost were both on a different plane to these two.
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 1 2007
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agreed on the tifosi. they are fans of ferrari, and only fans of the driver to the extent that they make ferrari look good...

Although the tifosi are the most visible example, you find this with many teams - they have supporters who will swear undying love for a driver one year (who drives for their team) and then curse him to h*ll the next for driving for another (and visa versa).

Personally, I think you might have more fans who are "team" fans than "driver" fans. They'll stick with a driver a bit after he's left their team but will still rather have him beaten than have him beat their team - they just don't wish him ill.

This doesn't include the "fair-weather" fans who don't really support F1 but cheer on anyone from their country - they'd cheer a chicken driving if it was from their country.
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 1 2007
04:50 PM
agreed on the tifosi. they are fans of ferrari, and only fans of the driver to the extent that they make ferrari look good...

I second that....

I don't think there is a word for it... 'bmwosi' maybe... but I support BMW the team and so long as their drivers pump in the results I'm happy to cheer them on... but drivers will come and go.... but Hopefully your team will be around year in year out..... <thumbs>

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timmadigan,Mar 1 2007
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Although the tifosi are the most visible example, you find this with many teams - they have supporters who will swear undying love for a driver one year (who drives for their team) and then curse him to h*ll the next for driving for another (and visa versa).

What's wrong with that? I'm not going to spew hatred to Kimi or Massa if they leave Ferrari (they gotta do what they gotta do), but I never cheered for Massa before 06.
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Oi I follow my fellow countrymen but am not fair weather. I love to see the Brits do well. My favorite drivers are always the Brits, and though I can admire drivers from other countries I would never pull for them to win over a Brit. I admire Alonso, though it took me a while to accept his level of skill, but I will be rooting for Hamilton to win in the McLaren every time.
There is nothing wrong with having a bit of national loyalty, and it does not make you a racist as some lefties would like you to think!
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Nothing, Rob. I was just commenting on the fact it's happens with many team, not just Ferrari.
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timmadigan,Mar 1 2007
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This doesn't include the "fair-weather" fans who don't really support F1 but cheer on anyone from their country - they'd cheer a chicken driving if it was from their country.

that's interesting, i mean you wouldn't call football fans of their home country football team "fair weather".

that doesn't mean to say i think you're wrong, more an observation that f1 fans are refreshingly non-patriotic or even non-xenophobic, to the extent that anyone who only supports the home-boys is considered not a true oficionado.

but it isn't unreasonable for people to support a home grown talent in any other sport, so shouldn't be here.

me, i used to hate senna and prost while they were beating mansell, until i grew up and realised, rather late in the game, that i was watching genius.

i am always a driver fan, and base it on speed, courage, being spectacular, and not being schumacher (yeah, i know). so it's been hunt, mansell, senna, mika, and kimi that i've wanted to win the most.

and i don't care nor want to hear want anyone thinks of my choice, though do feel free to express your own...
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Oi I follow my fellow countrymen but am not fair weather. I love to see the Brits do well. My favorite drivers are always the Brits, and though I can admire drivers from other countries I would never pull for them to win over a Brit. I admire Alonso, though it took me a while to accept his level of skill, but I will be rooting for Hamilton to win in the McLaren every time.
There is nothing wrong with having a bit of national loyalty, and it does not make you a racist as some lefties would like you to think!

Yeah, but you're not a fair-weather F1 fan, so you weren't included in the group.
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theghostofnuvolari,Mar 1 2007
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timmadigan,Mar 1 2007
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This doesn't include the "fair-weather" fans who don't really support F1 but cheer on anyone from their country - they'd cheer a chicken driving if it was from their country.

that's interesting, i mean you wouldn't call football fans of their home country football team "fair weather".

that doesn't mean to say i think you're wrong, more an observation that f1 fans are refreshingly non-patriotic or even non-xenophobic, to the extent that anyone who only supports the home-boys is considered not a true oficionado.

me, i used to hate senna and prost while they were beating mansell, until i grew up and realised, rather late in the game, that i was watching genius.

i am always a driver fan, and base it on speed, courage, being spectacular, and not being schumacher (yeah, i know). so it's been hunt, mansell, senna, mika, and kimi that i've wanted to win the most.

and i don't care nor want to hear want anyone thinks of my choice, though do feel free to express your own...

I think more of the people who don't follow the sport but cheer on a fellow countryman-driver because he's winning it all.

You get this in all sports. I was just limiting the sample group for my comment not trying to start separate discussion.
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timmadigan,Mar 1 2007
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Yeah, but you're not a fair-weather F1 fan, so you weren't included in the group.

Oh I get what you're saying now. the fair weather fans of f1 typically ONLY support home-boys, never foreigners, whereas foreign drivers are more highly respected and supported by knowledgeable fans, especially compared to other sports
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I'd be waiting a bloody long time to support a driver or team for that matter if I had to wait for one with my nationallity....

and even then when one did come along.... and win.... they played the wrong national anthem...


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