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Villeneuve slings some mud; with his opinion on current drivers
Topic Started: Feb 16 2007, 09:23 PM (768 Views)
Paul_Murtagh
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Yet again more sour grapes by a driver who has been replaced. If Jacques had proved he was still a world champion driver then like Schumi, Senna and Prost before him he would have remained in top teams all of his career. He made a bad career move in 1999 and paid for it the rest of his F1 career and it was his own fault for putting money over success
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As usual, Jacques was asked his opinion, and as usual he gave it. As usual I don't see a lot there that I disagree with. If only there were a few more like him.
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blackdog,Feb 17 2007
11:12 AM
As usual, Jacques was asked his opinion, and as usual he gave it. As usual I don't see a lot there that I disagree with. If only there were a few more like him.

I have to say I agree with this comment. Everyone complains that F1 drivers are just corporate mouthpieces with no personality (e.g. Raikkonen), but when one actually dares speak his mind, they are "jealous," "petty," "ignorant" or "loudmouth arseholes." Villeneuve, Montoya and Eddie Irvine all bucked the trend of drivers who won't speak out, but they are the ones that are slated for it.

As other people have stated, a lot of things that Villeneuve said in this article have been said many times on this message board and others like it. And to say that "Villeneuve is only saying it because he's jealous that he hasn't achieved more" is no argument at all, because nobody on this message board has won multiple world championships either.
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Well a lot of it I think is fair comment...but some of it is just personal attack, which I don't think is right for someone to say that is living on past glories. Because, lets be honest, he has been nothing short of lacklustre in F1 ever since 1997.
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Red Andy,Feb 17 2007
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blackdog,Feb 17 2007
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As usual, Jacques was asked his opinion, and as usual he gave it. As usual I don't see a lot there that I disagree with. If only there were a few more like him.

I have to say I agree with this comment. Everyone complains that F1 drivers are just corporate mouthpieces with no personality (e.g. Raikkonen), but when one actually dares speak his mind, they are "jealous," "petty," "ignorant" or "loudmouth arseholes." Villeneuve, Montoya and Eddie Irvine all bucked the trend of drivers who won't speak out, but they are the ones that are slated for it.

As other people have stated, a lot of things that Villeneuve said in this article have been said many times on this message board and others like it. And to say that "Villeneuve is only saying it because he's jealous that he hasn't achieved more" is no argument at all, because nobody on this message board has won multiple world championships either.

I've said this before but I will say it again, being a whining bad loser constitutes a lack of personality not the other way around.
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NewMrMe,Feb 17 2007
07:34 AM
Isn't it ironic that the response on message boards to things like this is always that JV should shut up when half the things he says are the same as what people post on message boards.

Well when Autosport, Racer, F1 MAgazine, Retuers, CNN, Speed and the others ask my opinion, I will moderate it too.
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it doesn't matter what anyone says, because at the end of the day, when the talking stops and everthing is said and done the fact of the matter is that Jacques Villeneuve was a Formula 1 World Champion

it doesn't matter what car he was driving, it doesn't matter what the circumstances were the history books say JV was a Champion and thats that

and how many of those other drivers can say that??

end of.
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Anyone that got the no.1 treatment would have won that year, in the same way whoever did the previous season would have! Far from end of. He may as well have quit in 1997, because he's wasted the rest of his F1 career.
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Does anyone actually read what Villeneuve says, or do you all just follow a pre-determined agenda?

True enough, Kubica put in a good performance at Monza, but elsewhere he was making rookie errors all over the place. Do you think that BAR's improvement in 2004 and BMW's towards the end of last year was due purely to Jacques leaving the team(s)? Its just bad timing, admittedly brought upon himself by falling out with key people at the wrong time. Nothing to do with bad driving - in fact he seemed to be doing ok this year generally.

I've said this on another thread, so sorry if I'm repeating myself, but Jacques and Button were pretty evenly matched during 2003; Jenson came out on top overall, but not by much. Its hard to evaluate when Jacques car packed up on him in half of the races anyway.

Its all very well saying that anyone could have won in his car in '97, but where was Frentzen, and why didn't all those other geniuses (genii?) find themselves at Williams? Besides, the vastly over-rated Mika Hakkinen only won in '98 because his car was head and shoulders above everyone else's, and in '99 he was even less convincing. Its all in the timing - if you get that right, finishing the job is all you have to do, and that's what Villeneuve did.
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like I said

doesn't matter the circumstances

he is still a F1 Champion
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Button: 9th Place - 17 points (scored 7 times) - 6 retirements
Villeneuve: 16th Place - 6 points (scored 2 times) - 9 retirements

I think?
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flood1,Feb 17 2007
07:14 PM
Button: 9th Place - 17 points (scored 7 times) - 6 retirements
Villeneuve: 16th Place - 6 points (scored 2 times) - 9 retirements

I think?

Very good ... but ...

Four of Button's points were scored in Japan after Villeneuve had left the team.

Their grid averages over the year were: Button - 11.33, Villeneuve 11.64.

Most of their points finishes were only dregs, sevenths and eighths. Villeneuve had three 9th places and a 10th; Button one 9th and two 10ths.

Australia - double finish - Villeneuve 9th, Button 10th.
Malaysia - Button 7th, Villeneuve DNS (gearbox)
Brazil - Villeneuve 6th, Button crashed.
San Marino - Button 8th, Villeneuve retired lap 19 (oil fire)
Spain - Button 9th, Villeneuve out on lap 12 (engine)
Austria - Button 4th, Villeneuve 12th (JV needed new steering wheel - long stop dropped him back)
Monaco - Villeneuve retired (Engine), Button crashed in practice (DNS)
Canada - Both retired (Button gearbox, Villeneuve engine)
Europe - Button 7th, Villeneuve rtd (Transmission)
France - Villeneuve 9th, Button ran out of fuel
Britain - Button 8th, Villeneuve 10th
Germany - Button 8th, Villeneuve 9th
Hungary - Button 10th, Villeneuve rtd (hydraulics)
Italy - Villeneuve 6th, Button rtd (gearbox)
USA - Both retired (Button hydraulics, Villeneuve engine)
Japan - Button 4th, Villeneuve watching on the telly.

I can't read anything particularly one-sided into that lot. As I said, Button emerged on top, but there wasn't that much in it. Problem was, Jacques cost the team ten times as much cash.
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lets just hope a thread about Jackie boy does not turn into another Button bash.
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The Saint,Feb 17 2007
07:56 PM
lets just hope a thread about Jackie boy does not turn into another Button bash.

Quite right - as i've also said before, I've got nothing against Buttmunch, he's a decent driver who could still win a championship if things fall into place.

BTW I'm not a blinkered Villeneuve fan either. Just another impartial observer - too old for hero worship of any kind.
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blackdog,Feb 17 2007
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Does anyone actually read what Villeneuve says, or do you all just follow a pre-determined agenda?

True enough, Kubica put in a good performance at Monza, but elsewhere he was making rookie errors all over the place. Do you think that BAR's improvement in 2004 and BMW's towards the end of last year was due purely to Jacques leaving the team(s)? Its just bad timing, admittedly brought upon himself by falling out with key people at the wrong time. Nothing to do with bad driving - in fact he seemed to be doing ok this year generally.

I've said this on another thread, so sorry if I'm repeating myself, but Jacques and Button were pretty evenly matched during 2003; Jenson came out on top overall, but not by much. Its hard to evaluate when Jacques car packed up on him in half of the races anyway.

Its all very well saying that anyone could have won in his car in '97, but where was Frentzen, and why didn't all those other geniuses (genii?) find themselves at Williams? Besides, the vastly over-rated Mika Hakkinen only won in '98 because his car was head and shoulders above everyone else's, and in '99 he was even less convincing. Its all in the timing - if you get that right, finishing the job is all you have to do, and that's what Villeneuve did.

Yes I do. I think his Kubica comments are a little odd, as rookies do make mistakes. As you say, rookie errors. I remember Alonso making them in 2001, Kimi as well, and there are many other examples.

JV may have been doing ok last season...but is ok good enough for an ambitious team? Heidfeld was in the comfort zone, evident because his form picked up dramatically once Kubica was there.

And if you want to say that Hakkinen is vastly overrated, then fine. Just wondering how you manage to jump to that conclusion. He comprehensively beat DC in 1998 and 1999. Sure he wasn't perfect, but he was bloody fast.
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