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| The Rise of "Modern" circuits.......; Do they excite like traditional ones? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 15 2007, 06:34 PM (311 Views) | |
| mpv2409 | Feb 15 2007, 06:34 PM Post #1 |
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I'm curious to hear what other people think of the newer circuits that are being used nowadays in F1 (and other world level motor sports). Classic circuits that have been used for decades such as Spa, Monza and Silverstone are increasingly coming under pressure from Ecclestone et al to buck their ideas up and provide better facilities and improved safety or face being replaced by the modern autodromes similar to Shanghai and Bahrain. Some of the modern tracks have amazing facilities and run offs, but are they as "Special" as the older guard, do they provide better racing? I for one love the classic tracks, even if on occasion the racing can be impared by their width; for me it harks back to the romanticised period of the 70's and 80's, even from your armchair you can really appreciate the speed when they're just metres away from the barriers and the woods. I know that it's not as safe and that safety is a big issue nowadays, but to me the new circuits are almost dumbed down in comparison. Opinions please!!!! |
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| The Saint | Feb 15 2007, 06:37 PM Post #2 |
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There are some good new tracks like Turkey, but some bummers too. We should never lose Silverstone, Spa and Monza and we should bring back Branks Hatch! |
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| mpv2409 | Feb 15 2007, 06:43 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah, Turkey is a goodun, but that's because it's got good gradient changes. Brands hatch.....my favorite circuit, used to spend a lot of time there as a kid. It's a proper track, sorts the men from the boys; shame they remodelled Dingle Dell, cos it was too dangerous!! |
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| Rob | Feb 15 2007, 06:49 PM Post #4 |
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Turkey is good, and I actually like China, and Sepang. Not sure if Sukuka would be 'modern' or not, but since that is gone (damnit!) I think as far as the old school circuits like Silverstone, Spa, Monza, and Monaco should always be on the calendar to keep the tradition of F1 going. Nurgberg has been cut down so much it is not the grand track it used to be (so it can go). Personally I wouldn't shed a tear if Catalunya and Magny Cours got dropped. I think with all the races we have now there is a good mix of OLD, old and new. There are a few places I think could be easily replaced, and a few places I'd like to see back in use by F1. |
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| mpv2409 | Feb 15 2007, 06:53 PM Post #5 |
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I agree....Magny Cours is pretty boring to watch. I wouldn't object to a new street circuit, or even a return to Long Beach!!!! |
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| The Saint | Feb 15 2007, 07:26 PM Post #6 |
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The worst thing about Magny Cours is that the French have a much better alternative in Paul Ricard. Watching cars speed down the Minstral straight and then sweeping around the Signes corner was quite a sight! I believe the GP calendar would be enhanced if they moved back there! |
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| Red Andy | Feb 15 2007, 08:10 PM Post #7 |
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Indeed it would, but our dear friend Mr. Ecclestone has decided that if the GP circus did return to Paul Ricard for racing, he wouldn't bother building any grandstands, meaning it would be an event for the super-rich and the rest of us wouldn't get a look in. |
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| Paul_Murtagh | Feb 15 2007, 10:17 PM Post #8 |
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I have always believed that there should be five core circuits on the calendar no matter what due to their uniqueness and history - Silverstone, Monaco, Monza, Spa and a race in France. After that it doesn't bother me what circuits are added to the calendar even though I like Suzuka, Montreal, Istanbul and Interlagos. But Bernie has shown in the past that history and passion doesn't matter to him - it's all about lining his pockets! |
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| Monty | Feb 15 2007, 10:21 PM Post #9 |
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I think it was a crime to lose Suzuka definetely the best track behind SPA. |
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| The Saint | Feb 15 2007, 10:28 PM Post #10 |
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A agree Paul. I don’t give a crap about the money, nor the global appeal, what is important to me is the history of Formula 1, the traditions and the people who made it great. Without the British, French, Italians and Germans there wouldn’t be an F1 as we know it today. And tradition should dictate that we always have tracks like Spa, and Monaco on our calendar too. I am sure if Bernie was the top dog at our other sporting traditions he would have the FA cup being hosted in Durban, the Grand National in Dubai, the boat race in Cairo, the 6 nations in China, the tour de France in Japan, the Superbowl in India, the Kentucky Derby in Kuwait, the Ashes in Malaysia! |
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| mpv2409 | Feb 15 2007, 10:31 PM Post #11 |
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Yep....Suzuka is one of the greatest circuits on the planet, it's a shame that it's no longer on either the F1 or Motogp calendars. For me Spa, Silverstone, Monaco and Monza should never be cosidered for removal....they're just too damn historic!!! Screw you Berni. |
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| Red Andy | Feb 15 2007, 10:41 PM Post #12 |
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The thing with modern circuits is they never seem to have the same means of always providing brilliant racing as some of the older ones. I'm not necessarily talking about layout, either. Take Suzuka, for example - on paper, although the crossover layout is impressive, it's very difficult to find anywhere where actual racing can take place (save for the Casio Triangle, but 53 overtaking opportunities per race still isn't very good). Add to that the narrow track, and you have a recipe for a procession. Yet somehow, nearly every year, Suzuka managed to give us a fantastic race. Compare that to Hockenheim, which has plenty of purpose-designed "overtaking zones," yet the racing there is usually extremely dull. There are a number of tracks that always give us great races when they clearly shouldn't - Suzuka and Montreal particularly, and to some extent Monaco as well. And there are an increasing number of tracks that are designed to give us good racing, but don't. If only Bernie would take the hint that - to paraphrase Dylan Moran - the older a circuit is, the gooder it is. |
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| mpv2409 | Feb 15 2007, 11:19 PM Post #13 |
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"Red Andy" I think you hit the nail on the head there with your comment about Hockenheim. Great racing can't be designed, there are too many variables.......racing just happens. I suppose that the way the cars have become now has had an effect on this; too much aero grip and electronics meaning that overtaking zones have to be consciously designed into a layout, which in itself just feels wrong. Older tracks have glorious gradients, blind corners and cambered corners which are exciting...even if there are less manouvers. |
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| Monty | Feb 16 2007, 09:03 AM Post #14 |
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They are all great circuits so hope they wont be dropped, there is nothing wrong with historic tracks they are the ones that attract much of the fans.Tracks like Barcalona and Hungaroring should be dropped. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Feb 16 2007, 11:12 AM Post #15 |
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Monaco will never be dropped from the F1 calendar which is a blessing as well but why does Bernie go on about Silverstone not being safe when Monaco must be the most dangerous track in F1. The fact is that the track is not the problem its the fact that Bernie will receive ALOT more money from the new circuits and he want the old ones out. If Britain can host the Olympics why can the Goverment and the Lottery not invest into Silverstone before we all have to travel abroad to see F1? |
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