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This Season's Surprise Package
Topic Started: Feb 12 2007, 03:03 PM (483 Views)
sportsman
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
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although I enough of a realist not to make rash predictions regarding the WCC I would not be really suprised if they were in with a shout come the end of the season.

I will quote you on that one sportsman ;-)

I look forward to it. I am no great admirer of any one single team in F1 but I have stated my opinion be it right or wrong.
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
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Williams form has not been a suprise to me. I have said all along that Williams would make dramatic improvement this season.
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I fully expect Williams to continue developing their car during the coming season and although I enough of a realist not to make rash predictions regarding the WCC I would not be really suprised if they were in with a shout come the end of the season.


I do so hope you are right. Frank's team are in need of a major shot in the arm. They were quick at the start of last season and at the high downforce circuits but their reliability stopped them from developing the car properly.

But there must have been something wrong with their relationship with Mark Webber. He left complaining of not being allowed to be as involved as he would like to have been, saying that "at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "and that he was not listened to when he tried to help.

That doesn't sound healthy whichever way you look at it. I can see three posibilities:

1) Williams didn't rate mark's feedback (unlikely),
2) Williams really don't let the drivers get that involved (also unlikely)
3) Williams had more pressing concerns - such as getting a car to the end of a race!

Does anybody have any further clue as to what that was all about ?
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
11:13 AM
although I enough of a realist not to make rash predictions regarding the WCC I would not be really suprised if they were in with a shout come the end of the season.

I will quote you on that one sportsman ;-)

I look forward to it. I am no great admirer of any one single team in F1 but I have stated my opinion be it right or wrong.

Of course, it would be nice to see williams racing back at the front where they belong and the early signs look very promising. But as they no longer have a huge budget in comparison to ferrari,mclaren,bmw etc i feel they will probably fall away as the season progresses.
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
11:35 AM
"at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "

Thats because Patrick Head runs the show whatever he says goes. I know from an inside source. ;-)
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
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"at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "

Thats because Patrick Head runs the show whatever he says goes. I know from an inside source. ;-)


I thought the amiable Mr Head was being kept in the "Grumpy Cupboard" well away from the race track and car development and that Sam Michael was running these things?
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
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"at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "

Thats because Patrick Head runs the show whatever he says goes. I know from an inside source. ;-)


I thought the amiable Mr Head was being kept in the "Grumpy Cupboard" well away from the race track and car development and that Sam Michael was running these things?

<no> last season after bahrain patrick tried to change some of the aero to be similar to the renaults he messed it up and it took them to Brazil to get back to there original aero performance
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watch your use of the F word there DC202 <no>
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
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"at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "

Thats because Patrick Head runs the show whatever he says goes. I know from an inside source. ;-)


Hi DC 202. Inside sources always sound so fascinating to me. I know several people who work for F1 teams at various levels from senior management to workshop personell.
But I do not have any inside sources as most of the people I know are not privy to the development meetings,even though some of them hold quite senior positions. And all of them are actually bound by confidentiality clauses in their contracts not to discuss company business with anyone not connected to their respective teams.
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Penelope Pitstop,Feb 13 2007
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"at Williams drivers drive, they don't do car development "

Thats because Patrick Head runs the show whatever he says goes. I know from an inside source. ;-)


Hi DC 202. Inside sources always sound so fascinating to me. I know several people who work for F1 teams at various levels from senior management to workshop personell.
But I do not have any inside sources as most of the people I know are not privy to the development meetings,even though some of them hold quite senior positions. And all of them are actually bound by confidentiality clauses in their contracts not to discuss company business with anyone not connected to their respective teams.

Ah Sportsman but the guy in question resigned a week or so ago, the reason for this is because he kept falling out with PH.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56531


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dcoulthard19,Feb 13 2007
11:56 AM
watch your use of the F word there DC202 <no>

what are youtalking about ;-)
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Ah Sportsman but the guy in question resigned a week or so ago, the reason for this is because he kept falling out with PH.

That would then leave him free to speak I imagine.
But if you read my original post you will find that I do actually make a reference to the restructuring at Williams and could his resignation be influenced by some of the new staff employed. Just a thought.
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
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Ah Sportsman but the guy in question resigned a week or so ago, the reason for this is because he kept falling out with PH.

That would then leave him free to speak I imagine.
But if you read my original post you will find that I do actually make a reference to the restructuring at Williams and could his resignation be influenced by some of the new staff employed. Just a thought.

No, it was because he was arguing alot with Patrick and they just werent gettig on. After last season tempers were obviously frayed, he joined in 2003 around mid season and by the end they were the fastest team on the grid. Of course it might also have something to do with the new personel...i only get the info through his brother <thumbs>
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DavidColthard202,Feb 13 2007
12:29 PM
No, it was because he was arguing alot with Patrick and they just werent gettig on. After last season tempers were obviously frayed, he joined in 2003 around mid season and by the end they were the fastest team on the grid. Of course it might also have something to do with the new personel...i only get the info through his brother  <thumbs>

Hardly suprising that they argued. I have met both of them at different times, Frank when he was with Ligier and Patrick about three years ago. Both are STRONG personalities shall we say, I can think of other descriptions but neither are very polite so lets leave it at that. But as as I said earlier Williams have some very bright people in various departments now, and there has been a major change in their management methods. I did actually hear someone use the word democratic.
As for funding, with their new sponsorship deals they are in the best financial position that they have been for some time,so I think thedy will be on a constant development programme all season.
We shall see.
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sportsman,Feb 13 2007
02:03 PM

Hardly suprising that they argued.

Yea strong personalities this would always happen.
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Paul_Murtagh,Feb 12 2007
07:31 PM
I think Renault will suffer more from the loss of Pat Symonds at the head of the team than the loss of Alonso. He helped turn the team into winners and his backward step this season could affect the team badly

Eh?

http://www.planet-f1.com/News/Story_Page/0...1870095,00.html

They're not losing him

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Q: It was announced during the winter that you will be taking on a revised role during 2007. Could you explain a little about what that will entail?
PS: The successful management of any racing team is not just about succeeding in the present - you have to be pro-active in planning for, and shaping, the future. In 2006, we began a gradual transition towards a new race engineering structure that would allow some of our younger engineers to take on new responsibilities; this has continued in 2007 with the appointment of Alan Permane as Chief Race Engineer. His role will be to coordinate the engineering activities during Grand Prix weekends, which in turn will enable me to focus on longer-term projects associated with the major rules changes on the horizon for 2009 and beyond - while remaining on hand at races to provide guidance if required. The process will not disrupt our trackside activities in any way. Quite the contrary in fact: it is further proof that we are embracing change to ensure a successful future for the team.


So much for Renault pulling out of F1...
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