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Could Webber win a WDC?; Where did he go wrong.
Topic Started: Feb 11 2007, 03:46 PM (938 Views)
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DavidColthard202,Feb 12 2007
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safc_fan89,Feb 12 2007
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Well, how much room do you think a driver should give another when that other driver is attempting an overtaking move?

Fisi was on the inside and not going to make the corner so why did Webber position his car so close to a guy who was on the marbles and had shot tyres, to me its silly driving by both.

Webber was relying on Fisi making the corner and not outbraking himself in such a way. Close?! Watch it again. There was more than enough room. This is motor racing, not car park parking.
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DavidColthard202,Feb 12 2007
04:57 PM
Looks to me like Webber drove into him

Are you teasing us? You ARE teasing us right?

It is as clear as day that Fizzy loses the back end of his car which drifts wide into Mark!

Mark had left plenty of room.

I was going to say "you could get a bus through there" but then I remembered that it was the effervescent Fizzy who caused the accident.

Difficult when one of your favourite drivers "takes out" another of your favourite drivers isn't it?

So now I say it is Michelin's fault for providing Fizzy with inconsistent tyres.......

And I don't want to hear any differently!!!!

<fingers in ears> LA LA LA LA LA ........

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DavidColthard202,Feb 12 2007
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Fisi was on the inside and not going to make the corner so why did Webber position his car so close to a guy who was on the marbles and had shot tyres, to me its silly driving by both.


Am I mistaken or do marbles normally appear OFF the racing line? .... which Webber had ceded to Fizzy .... I really do think you are just being stubbornly obtuse now.

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After watching the incident I would have to day that Mark Webber should have used a bit more common sense there.

He took a very tight line and gave Fisi no room when he was trying to reovertake.

Like I said it was a very messy incident but there was no where you can put all the blame on Fisi.

I will stick my first comment and say it was a racing incident, two drivers racing hard and they collided, thats it.
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Am I mistaken or do marbles normally appear OFF the racing line? .... which Webber had ceded to Fizzy


yeah, I think thats pretty much spot on yes.


Be the way can we try and keep it a bit more polite in here and not start attacking each other.

REMEMBER, attack the post and NOT THE POSTER. Thanks <clap>
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I'd agree with DC's assessment. Fisi lost the back end of the car but Webber was in such a position that he had nowhere to go except into him. Racing incident, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Webber was in such a position that he had nowhere to go except into him


I think this comment sums it up quite well, Webber was in a truly awful position considering the state everyone's tyres was in and the marbles off the racing line.

Obviously Fisi losing the back end was a mistake by him so both drivers have made a mistake so it is even blame and a racing incident.
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dcoulthard19,Feb 12 2007
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REMEMBER, attack the post and NOT THE POSTER. Thanks  <clap>


<bow> Forgive me!

My <pout> was intended to indicate my light-heartedness, otherwise I would have used a <scowl>
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Forgive me!

My <pout> was intended to indicate my light-heartedness, otherwise I would have used a <scowl>


no worries :D
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Oh well, I find it hard to believe that you're saying Webber was badly placed. What should he have done...just gifted Fisi the position? Don't talk rubbish. What have you got against Webber? Honestly...
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safc_fan89,Feb 12 2007
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Oh well, I find it hard to believe that you're saying Webber was badly placed. What should he have done...just gifted Fisi the position? Don't talk rubbish. What have you got against Webber? Honestly...

If he'd been in a position to compete, he could have been patient and tried to get him down the main straight ... but then he wasn't to know Fisi would make a mistake. As I say, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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In the world's premier motor racing series, you expect an experienced driver to be able to make a clean passing move. Webber did exactly what he should have...left room,for Fisi without completely compromising his line through the corner. Watch Schumacher's move on Raikkonen in Brazil last season to see what GOOD drivers do. Raikkonen, in terms of your version of events, should have earned a black mark for not giving a square mile of space...as I say, strange.
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Oh well, I find it hard to believe that you're saying Webber was badly placed. What should he have done...just gifted Fisi the position? Don't talk rubbish. What have you got against Webber? Honestly


I haven't got anything against Webber but it is wrong to completely blame Fisi for that incident.
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I have to say that this whole notion of Mark being partly to blame because he didn't leave enough room for Fizzy to lose control of his his car a bit strange.

Maybe people just think differently about what constitutes a "racing incident" or what actions are deemed as having contributed to an accident.

For the life of me I cannot see any fault in what Mark has done in the above clip and I would lay the blame firmly at Fizzy's feet. He went in too fast. He lost control, of his car and slid in Mark.

It would not have mattered in the above clip if Mark had been another half a metre wider, Fizzy would still have collected him

I guess we will just have to part, each shaking our heads sorrowfully <no> at how the other cannot see what is so blatantly in front of them.....
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dcoulthard19,Feb 12 2007
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Oh well, I find it hard to believe that you're saying Webber was badly placed. What should he have done...just gifted Fisi the position? Don't talk rubbish. What have you got against Webber? Honestly


I haven't got anything against Webber but it is wrong to completely blame Fisi for that incident.

Not really. I fully understood why Webber was furious after the incident, and over the last 600 or so days, my opinion has not changed one bit. It was an amateur move from Fisi because in the previous corner he had made a mistake, due to lack of grip, and had lost the place. You need to know when the position is lost. There is no way that Fisi could have made any move stick, a good driver would have realised this.
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