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| Could Webber win a WDC?; Where did he go wrong. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 11 2007, 03:46 PM (940 Views) | |
| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 02:39 PM Post #31 |
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When Nick had that accident he was 28-24 ahead so yes he was the stronger driver. |
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| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 02:40 PM Post #32 |
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lol, its the truth though it will go down in the records as 2-1 DC
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| dcoulthard19 | Feb 12 2007, 02:44 PM Post #33 |
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and as some certain people state saturday afternoon isn't a fair time to compare drivers as points are handed out on sunday and in china DC beat Doooooooooorbos in the race and the other two races DC had gearbox failure which you can't really blame him for. anyway I have to go for a while, DC202, you can hold the fort in the debate whilst I am gone. <thumbs> |
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| safc_fan89 | Feb 12 2007, 02:45 PM Post #34 |
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Yeah and Raikkonen's pole lap at Monza in 2005 goes down as a Montoya pole...but not in my mind
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| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 02:48 PM Post #35 |
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wil do
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| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 02:49 PM Post #36 |
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Im sure you arent going to remember who out qualified who though at a back of the grid team. How about we compare Liuzzis time against DC.
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| Paul_Murtagh | Feb 12 2007, 02:56 PM Post #37 |
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Without meaning to weigh into this debate, but isn't this thread about Webber? I just feel that Webber has struggled against experienced team-mates in the past: 2002: Webber (17 races) - 2 points Yoong (15 races) - 0 points Davidson (2 races) - 0 points 2003: Webber (16 races) - 17 points Pizzonia (11 races) - 0 points Wilson (5 races) - 1 point 2004: Webber (18 races) - 7 points Klien (18 races) - 3 points 2005: Webber (19 races) - 36 points Heidfeld (14 races) - 28 points Pizzonia (5 races) - 2 points 2006: Webber (18 races) - 7 points Rosberg (18 races) - 4 points If you notice, Mark has out-scored his team-mates every year BUT Heidfeld was the only one who had previous F1 experience and had out-scored him in the same number of races. Plus there has only been two seasons where Webber's team-mate has competed in the same amount of grand prix as Mark. I just feel he has yet to prove himself and hasn't done enough to warrant a top-line drive yet similar to Raikkonen did at Sauber or Alonso did at Minardi |
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| safc_fan89 | Feb 12 2007, 02:57 PM Post #38 |
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That would be pointless though. To be fair to Liuzzi he wasn't given a proper go against DC in 2005...for some reason Klien was given 15 races to Liuzzi's 4. Still can't work out why. |
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| Paul_Murtagh | Feb 12 2007, 02:59 PM Post #39 |
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I think that still confuses everyone, especially when both drivers were given identical contracts |
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| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 03:02 PM Post #40 |
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because in the 4 races they done together DC outqualified him 4-0, and DC scored 6 points to Liuzzis one and this could have been doubled if DC hadnt been run into by Shumi at monaco. |
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| safc_fan89 | Feb 12 2007, 03:04 PM Post #41 |
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Maybe...but it's not DC's 2005 form that is under scrutiny from me, I think he drove excellently that year. I don't think the same can be said for last season. Perhaps it was a blip, perhaps it was that he's too old, we won't know until we see what happens this season. |
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| Penelope Pitstop | Feb 12 2007, 03:16 PM Post #42 |
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I still don't think that 4 points makes a "far stronger driver". And I notice you sidestepped my question about qualifying. What is more I think you did so because it tells a rather different story to yours ..... So lets have a little look and undercover what it is you are hiding shall we? You naughty little monkey ...... Average grid position / Drivers 2005 In 2005 Mark Webber average qualifying position was 7,895 compared to Heidfeld at 8,933. That's an average of 1 place on the grid. Average Gap to Pole / Drivers 2005 Mark had an average gap to pole of 1.591 compared to Nick 1,924. An average qualifyng lap of 0.4 seconds faster. Which is a country mile! So, I think your 4 points are more a measure of Nick's ability to stay out of trouble than of Mark's pace. But the statistics on balance would, in my opinion, suggest that Mark is "by far the quicker driver". |
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| safc_fan89 | Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM Post #43 |
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It's this case of carefully selecting the stat that makes your driver look good. As you say, 4 points is nothing...Webber scored only 3 points more than Rosberg this season but should have scored around 20 more, was it not for all the reliability woes. |
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| Monty | Feb 12 2007, 03:21 PM Post #44 |
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It wasnt my story it was Paul who said Heidfeld was far stronger, he wasnt but Nick just shaded it because he was more consistent. |
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| safc_fan89 | Feb 12 2007, 03:30 PM Post #45 |
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Well that 4 points can be made up from Fisichella needlessly taking Webber off at Malaysia... |
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