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Topic Started: Apr 3 2006, 09:55 AM (482 Views)
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honda told button not to cross the start finish line so he didnt get an engine penalty, but as quite a few drivers behind button had been lapped button still was classified and therefore he finished the race surely.

Also if he has not finished the race what if this happens but a driver is classified in the point surely then the argument must be he has finished the race and should get a penalty.
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He didn't finish, thats the difference GV. My argument is why does the ten place penalty come in AFTER practice. Why not before?
If you were Aguri, would you not be changing angines at every opportunity?
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Im just thinking about if a driver gets the points benifit from the race but is counted as a nonfinisher and gets to change an engine will there be protests from another team.
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honda told button not to cross the start finish line so he didnt get an engine penalty, but as quite a few drivers behind button had been lapped button still was classified and therefore he finished the race surely.

Also if he has not finished the race what if this happens but a driver is classified in the point surely then the argument must be he has finished the race and should get a penalty.

He was clasified because he was on the lead lap, ahead of those who had been lapped. They crossed the finish line after alonso and had to finish the race one lap early, because they had been lapped. Even though Button didn't finish the race, he was not lapped, and so went FURTHER then those who had been lapped, hence his higher placing in the ranks then them.

Did I explain that well enough???
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i understand why he was classified but i think its a bit of having your cake and eating it, he is classified but hasnt finished the race so can change his engine.
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I think the ten-place penalty is stupid beyond stupid.

Anyway, I think in order to be classified as "finishing the race" you must cross the finish line. A driver who does not finish is still classified if there are people who do finish that have covered less race distance (i.e some laps behind).

You can still score points and not finish, but you have had to have started the race. So, at Monaco in 1996, when only 4 cars finished, the last two cars to drop out recieved points.

However, in USA 2005, since only six cars started, only six cars were eligable for points - so 7th and 8th were not awarded.
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Lord Tau,Apr 3 2006
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I think the ten-place penalty is stupid beyond stupid.

Anyway, I think in order to be classified as "finishing the race" you must cross the finish line. A driver who does not finish is still classified if there are people who do finish that have covered less race distance (i.e some laps behind).

You can still score points and not finish, but you have had to have started the race. So, at Monaco in 1996, when only 4 cars finished, the last two cars to drop out recieved points.

However, in USA 2005, since only six cars started, only six cars were eligable for points - so 7th and 8th were not awarded.

Which is Where the ACO have got it right, If you stop on the las corner of the last lap after 24 hours and don't cross the line. You haven't finished and aren't classified
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Honda have lost out in any case, because they dropped 3 points. If they had any ambition, they would have settled for a penalty and got the 3 points. Button is capable of getting pole next race, which would mean he starts 11th. He could easily recover a decent result from it.

He is unlikely to win at Impla, so I don't understand the logic behind their decision.

I think it's most likely that there was no fuel left (it all went up in smoke, it was the end of the race) and the car stopped. They probably came up with this idea to make it look less embarrassing.

Just a theory.
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safc_fan89,Apr 3 2006
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Honda have lost out in any case, because they dropped 3 points. If they had any ambition, they would have settled for a penalty and got the 3 points. Button is capable of getting pole next race, which would mean he starts 11th. He could easily recover a decent result from it.

He is unlikely to win at Impla, so I don't understand the logic behind their decision.

I think it's most likely that there was no fuel left (it all went up in smoke, it was the end of the race) and the car stopped. They probably came up with this idea to make it look less embarrassing.

Just a theory.

Which brings me back to qualifying. Why doesn't the 10 place penalty take place before qualifying?
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Because before qualifying, there are no positions to change.
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The 10 place penalty is a load of crap in any case.
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So after the first round, if anyone has a penalty, they are then moved back 10 places, if that takes them into the drop zone, so be it. and then again for the second. Meaning, that if they set fastest lap in the second, they would be illiminated, as being in 11 place
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That would be stupid. They do quali and then have the penalties. That is as fair a way as possible to do it.

Of course I would prefer no penalties.
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That would be the logical thing. FIA wants to save money, so they use one engine for 2 races. Then they drive round wasting fuel
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insideline,Apr 3 2006
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That would be the logical thing. FIA wants to save money, so they use one engine for 2 races. Then they drive round wasting fuel

sorry...I thought you mentioned logical and FIA in the same sentence....roflmao. Oh...you did <blink>
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