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GMO
Topic Started: Aug 8 2018, 05:51 PM (290 Views)
George K
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(admitting profound ignorance here)

I'm seeing many items at the grocer that are labeled "Non-GMO".

What, exactly, does that mean? To my way of thinking, almost everything we eat is GMO. Look at how corn appeared in the 16th century, and compare it with today's corn.

I don't get it. Can someone 'splain that to me?
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My understanding is that it's BS. There's a general fear of unintended consequences of genetic engineering - but not very many specific concerns as far as I know.
Edited by xenon, Aug 8 2018, 05:57 PM.
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Jolly
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Genetically Modified Organism. Primary example would be something like Round-up Ready corn.

Some people think it's ok, some think it's frankenfood.
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I wouldn't call it BS. It's more that the jury is still out.

GMO stands for genetically modified organisms. "GMOs are living organisms whose genetic material has been artificially manipulated in a laboratory through genetic engineering. This creates combinations of plant, animal, bacteria, and virus genes that do not occur in nature or through traditional crossbreeding methods."

I'm not 100% sure of this, and I'm too lazy to confirm it, but a GM plant like corn, for example, has had a gene introduced that increases its resistance to pests.

From Greatist: "On the other hand, crops can be modified to be resistant to weed killers, which means you can spray entire fields with herbicide, easily knocking out every stray weed in sight without any risk of damaging the big moneymakers."

And people are concerned about herbicides like Roundup in their food supply.

Food producers have cottoned on that labelling their product "non-GMO" makes for increased sales. That is, if it is non-GMO. It would not be kosher to label a GMO food "non-GMO". :tsktsk:

There's more to it, but that's at least some of the bare bones.
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Copper
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My understanding

Good

Bigger, better, faster, stronger crops, yields more food and higher profits

Bad

Unknown effects caused by people who don't really understand what they are doing, but they are motivated by profit, or hunger, so they don't really care if it is bad for me as long as they make their greedy old white man profits, or reduce hunger.

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Catseye3
Aug 8 2018, 06:14 PM
I wouldn't call it BS. It's more that the jury is still out.

GMO stands for genetically modified organisms. "GMOs are living organisms whose genetic material has been artificially manipulated in a laboratory through genetic engineering. This creates combinations of plant, animal, bacteria, and virus genes that do not occur in nature or through traditional crossbreeding methods."

I'm not 100% sure of this, and I'm too lazy to confirm it, but a GM plant like corn, for example, has had a gene introduced that increases its resistance to pests.

From Greatist: "On the other hand, crops can be modified to be resistant to weed killers, which means you can spray entire fields with herbicide, easily knocking out every stray weed in sight without any risk of damaging the big moneymakers."

And people are concerned about herbicides like Roundup in their food supply.

Food producers have cottoned on that labelling their product "non-GMO" makes for increased sales. That is, if it is non-GMO. It would not be kosher to label a GMO food "non-GMO". :tsktsk:

There's more to it, but that's at least some of the bare bones.
Which jury? Because 100's have come in and said not guilty. Obviously they are wrong because
"FRANKENFOOD!"
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Here's a Jury that came in: https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2016/05/gmo-safety-debate-is-over/
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Fine, whatever.
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John D'Oh
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Aug 8 2018, 07:29 PM
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If you vaccinate your kids and believe that climate change is real, you need to stop being scared of genetically modified foods.


The number of Americans that believe in all three of these is probably about 42.
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Count me on the ‘BS’ side. Waiting for them to develop a mango with no pot.
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George K
Aug 8 2018, 05:51 PM
(admitting profound ignorance here)

I'm seeing many items at the grocer that are labeled "Non-GMO".

What, exactly, does that mean? To my way of thinking, almost everything we eat is GMO. Look at how corn appeared in the 16th century, and compare it with today's corn.

I don't get it. Can someone 'splain that to me?
For the same reason youll find things labeled "organic" - food processors as well as grocers know their job is to make money, not educate the ignorant. As long as there are enough people willing to pay more for things called "non-GMO" or "organic", they will package stuff with those labels. If "hand picked" became a thing, you'd start seeing bins of hand picked items that sll for more than regular stuff. Only few if any would actually be picked by hand...

There's a produce stand in town with a big sign that says "locally grown". But his watermelons come from Florida, his tomatoes come from central America, etc. When you ask him why his sign says locally grown he tells you that he gets them all from one place -a wholesaler about 30 miles away.

The GMO thing is ridiculous. So is "organic".
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You cannot put the genetic genie back in the bottle any more than we have any other advance.
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GMO's made me Trans!
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Axtremus
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I disregard such labels as “non-GMO”, “organic”, “fair trade”, etc.
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Axtremus
Aug 9 2018, 09:43 AM
I disregard such labels as “non-GMO”, “organic”, “fair trade”, etc.
That's because you can't distinguish between fact and fiction.
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Mikhailoh
Aug 9 2018, 08:53 AM
You cannot put the genetic genie back in the bottle any more than we have any other advance.
True, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't stop and ask ourselves if all this was such a good idea. Just because we can doesn't always mean we should.
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See the documentary movie “The Future of Food”. It’s been a few years since I saw it and as I remember, it’s mostly farmers who object to Monsanto and their GMO seeds.

I don’t know if stickers or labels have to be attached to GMO food. It might be coming though because irradiated food has to have a sticker.

While we’re on the subject of food labeling, if you see a Lotus flower sticker on a fruit or vegetable, it means that it was irradiated and the sticker is required. Has anyone seen this sticker recently? It’s been a long time since I last saw one in a store. Maybe the stores in my area don’t want to carry them?

Irradiated means the fruit or vegetable was passed through a radiation chamber. The radiation kills microorganisms resulting in a longer shelf life. The last I heard about it was that irradiation of food does not cause any harmful effects. But some think irradiation can cause harmful transformations to food that are unknown to us now. There used to be a company located near where I live that irradiated food and artificial body parts. I don’t know if they’re still there.

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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
The reason farmers whine about Monsanto's seeds is because Monsanto won't allow them to plant seeds harvested from the plants they grew with the Monsanto seeds they bought to plant them.
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Luke's Dad
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In fairness to Monsanto, that policy is clearly laid out in their agreement with farmers.

In fairness to farmers, Monsanto is staffed by a bunch of dicks.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
I prefer Croplan seeds anyway..
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Larry
Aug 9 2018, 11:08 AM
The reason farmers whine about Monsanto's seeds is because Monsanto won't allow them to plant seeds harvested from the plants they grew with the Monsanto seeds they bought to plant them.
Yes, that and farmers also complained that they would be charged for having used Monsanto’s seeds even if they didn’t plant with Monsanto’s seeds.

Wind and erosion can scatter seeds from a neighboring farm who uses Monsanto seeds onto a non-GMO farm. The result is that some of a non-GMO farmer’s crops would be some GMO and some non-GMO.

Non-GMO farmers say they’re being hauled into court and sued by Monsanto if they don’t pay up. I don’t recall the reverse situation being mentioned in the doc.: GMO farmers being sued by non-GMO seed producers if some of their crops are non-GMO.
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Aug 9 2018, 01:31 PM
Larry
Aug 9 2018, 11:08 AM
The reason farmers whine about Monsanto's seeds is because Monsanto won't allow them to plant seeds harvested from the plants they grew with the Monsanto seeds they bought to plant them.
Yes, that and farmers also complained that they would be charged for having used Monsanto’s seeds even if they didn’t plant with Monsanto’s seeds.

Wind and erosion can scatter seeds from a neighboring farm who uses Monsanto seeds onto a non-GMO farm. The result is that some of a non-GMO farmer’s crops would be some GMO and some non-GMO.

Non-GMO farmers say they’re being hauled into court and sued by Monsanto if they don’t pay up. I don’t recall the reverse situation being mentioned in the doc.: GMO farmers being sued by non-GMO seed producers if some of their crops are non-GMO.
Like I said...
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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'Nuff said.
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