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More blank slate confusion
Topic Started: Jul 12 2018, 10:46 AM (158 Views)
jon-nyc
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Adopted children have higher rates of behavioral and learning problems and lower achievement on reading math, and science assessment tests, despite (typically) wealthy parents that most definitely want the job of parenting and put in the time and resources.

Gosh, what could it be? Did anyone call Stephen Pinker? Or a biologist? Or even a farmer?

https://www.theatlantic.com/he...r-after-myth/418230/
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Jolly
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Well, we have a choice:

1. Abort them and kill them in the womb.
2. Let them be born, then tie them up in a sack and chunk them in the nearest water.

The first generates body parts for the wealthy. The latter helps feed the fish, which in turn helps with world hunger.

I guess it's a pick 'em.
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jon-nyc
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The post isn't about whether adoption is good or bad, it's clearly an unmitigated good.

Rather it's about the fact that social scientists choose to live in this environmental-determinist fog.
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jon-nyc
Jul 12 2018, 10:51 AM
The post isn't about whether adoption is good or bad, it's clearly an unmitigated good.

Rather it's about the fact that social scientists choose to live in this environmental-determinist fog.
I, too, think that genes play a role here, but this case is unlikely to change a "blank slater"'s opinion because there's an alternative explanation that fits into blank slate dogma: The trauma of finding out you are adopted makes all the difference.
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Klaus
Jul 12 2018, 11:13 AM
jon-nyc
Jul 12 2018, 10:51 AM
The post isn't about whether adoption is good or bad, it's clearly an unmitigated good.

Rather it's about the fact that social scientists choose to live in this environmental-determinist fog.
I, too, think that genes play a role here, but this case is unlikely to change a "blank slater"'s opinion because there's an alternative explanation that fits into blank slate dogma: The trauma of finding out you are adopted makes all the difference.
Most adoptees who have parents worth their salt never "find out"; the typical thing to do—and that's advocated—is to tell the kids this starting at about the time they can understand their parents so that they always know it.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Klaus
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Jul 12 2018, 11:17 AM
Klaus
Jul 12 2018, 11:13 AM
jon-nyc
Jul 12 2018, 10:51 AM
The post isn't about whether adoption is good or bad, it's clearly an unmitigated good.

Rather it's about the fact that social scientists choose to live in this environmental-determinist fog.
I, too, think that genes play a role here, but this case is unlikely to change a "blank slater"'s opinion because there's an alternative explanation that fits into blank slate dogma: The trauma of finding out you are adopted makes all the difference.
Most adoptees who have parents worth their salt never "find out"; the typical thing to do—and that's advocated—is to tell the kids this starting at about the time they can understand their parents so that they always know it.
True, but one could still argue that there are psychological implications of knowing you are an adopted child, hence it is not "proof" that blank slate is wrong.
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jon-nyc
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Again, the point wasn't that this proves the causes are genetic.

The point was that social scientists (and/or the media that reports them) doesn't even consider genetics as a possible factor. That is quite common.
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Klaus
Jul 12 2018, 11:22 AM
True, but one could still argue that there are psychological implications of knowing you are an adopted child, hence it is not "proof" that blank slate is wrong.
Internationally adopted children are categorically more susceptable to FASDs, which basically throws blank slaters right out.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I have one adopted sibling and one genetic sibling. That’s how I’ve known from a young age that there are profound genetic differences between people which are way more than skin deep.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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jon-nyc
Jul 12 2018, 11:24 AM
Again, the point wasn't that this proves the causes are genetic.

The point was that social scientists (and/or the media that reports them) doesn't even consider genetics as a possible factor. That is quite common.
Well, yeah. It's a very unfun realm of science to report on.
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Horace
Jul 12 2018, 11:26 AM
I have one adopted sibling and one genetic sibling. That’s how I’ve known from a young age that there are profound genetic differences between people which are way more than skin deep.
Econ guy - adopted or natural?
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Horace
Jul 12 2018, 11:26 AM
I have one adopted sibling and one genetic sibling. That’s how I’ve known from a young age that there are profound genetic differences between people which are way more than skin deep.
Yep. Knowing what I know about my parents and my biological mother, I have all the proof I need that genetics plays a major part. I'd say even more so than environment. It's not even close.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Natural.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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I figured. (that's a complement)
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If it was ok for children self-identify as not-adopted then maybe society would be more accepting.

This will never happen with Mr. Kavanaugh on the court.

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jon-nyc
Jul 12 2018, 11:30 AM
I figured. (that's a complement)
More likely a compliment. ;)
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I have had a lot of adopted friends and have known lots of adoptive families. Genetics most assuredly plays a big role.
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I would think the issue of drug and alcohol affected babies would be more prevalent among kids up for adoption, no?
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